Boy blunder now going to kill coal!

[westernvicki]

Still curious: without coal, what replaces baseload?

[bucket]

WV


That's as efficient in regards to capital cost?

My guess is there isn't anything close. For baseload.

Natural gas? Maybe.

Nuclear is very expensive.

Hydro but the greenies won't let the valleys be flooded because of a certain species of frog.

[oneoff]

Robin Campbell, president of the Coal Association of Canada, said the move away from coal to renewables like wind, for example, would result in an increased cost to the public.

Campbell said power bills would rise because a wind project would need to be subsidized and the public would foot the bill.

"Coal-fired generation in Canada is not the villain that people would like to think it is," Campbell said.

He referenced global greenhouse gas emission statistics and Canada's contributions of 1.6 per cent. Campbell said shutting down all coal-fired generation in Canada would not make a difference.

Canada's global GHG emissions would only decrease by 0.135 per cent, he said.

[grassfarmer]

Here Oneoff,

[URL="http://www.miningne.ws/2014/04/07/china-plans-mass-coal-mine-shutdown/"]http://http://www.miningne.ws/2014/04/07/china-plans-mass-coal-mine-shutdown/[/URL]

[URL="http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL3N0Y42UV20150513"]http://http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL3N0Y42UV20150513[/URL]

[URL="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/dig-this-china-cuts-coal-production/"]http://https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/dig-this-china-cuts-coal-production/[/URL]

[URL="http://www.vox.com/2014/4/17/5624360/china-coal-boom-ending-climate-change"]http://http://www.vox.com/2014/4/17/5624360/china-coal-boom-ending-climate-change[/URL]

[URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollutio"]http://http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollutio[/URL]

[URL="http://www.efchina.org/Attachments/Report/report-20150420/China-2050-High-Renewable-Energy-Penetration-Scenario-and-Roadmap-Study-Executive-Summary.pdf/view"]http://http://www.efchina.org/Attachments/Report/report-20150420/China-2050-High-Renewable-Energy-Penetration-Scenario-and-Roadmap-Study-Executive-Summary.pdf/view[/URL]

Should keep you all busy reading for the day.

[sk_wheatking]

That's right grassfarmer while Oneoff is busy reading your bullshit propaganda you better be busy cutting firewood for the winter and cutting off whatever source of fossil fuel heats your home and while your at it get a nice team of horses for your wagon because your car runs on the same stuff your furnace runs on.

[oneoff]

As a certain Mr Harvey said innumerable times


"NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY"

When you blindly rely on reported statics (even official ones"...you can be mislead on several fronts. All way from included lies; to estimates and guesses that are high and/or low; to biases and desires to put the reporter in the most favorable light.

Not to mention any incomplete understandings (at every level; including the official collector of data).


I could give examples of how a Crown corporation uses postal codes to determine coverage areas to be included in for example "flood insured properties"

or "green house gas emissions" that federal departments believe have to be multiple or maybe dozens of times greater that industry reported leaks, discharges, venting and flaring. And the measurement inaccuracies that have never been recognized...but are obviously important in any measurement involving differential pressures for example

And the misunderstood connection between the short and long term differences between venting hydrocarbon gases and putting a match to those same compounds and dealing/not dealing with the combustion products.

And then their is the significant smugness of those who can't recognize the aerosol cans that hypocrits never think about; the jet fuel, diesel and gasoline involved in everyone's daily life; the plastics in every product they use without a second thought; and the changes that the elite and powerful exempt THEMSEVES from


in short THEIR OWN CARBON FOOTPRINT that they will never acknowlege

[SASKFARMER3]

Is it just me or are the Idiots running the Asylum. Grass how do you unfreeze a water bowl with a solar panel. Or buy hand dig out a water line in the middle of winter.

We live in Canada close to the arctic circle. Its fracking cold here in winter. We need natural gas to heat our homes and guess what we have so much natural gas its not even funny. Yet were going to heat homes with fairy dust and sparkles.

How fracking stupid are some of you supporters.

We live in Canada and guess what their is snow on the ground for almost half the year. Mosquitoes the other half.

[Hamloc]

We must realize the decision to shut down coal is a political one. As the environment minister stated 80% of Canada's power comes from renewables now. So if you are a government that wants to look like you are doing something for the environment what is the easiest? Coal, it looks dirty, it is an easy sell. Besides Ontario and Quebec don't use coal, Alberta's NDP already is eliminating coal, all that is left is Sask.,Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Not that much political risk.

What I am curious about is natural gas. Yes it is cheap now but two things could raise our heating costs, a necessity in our cold winters. Increased demand for natural gas for electrical generation and of course the carbon tax. At 50$ a tonne that is 2.50 a gigajoule, at today's natural gas price that is almost a 100% increase. What if demand doubles or triples the price of natural gas? Add in the fact electricity prices will increase in certain provinces, those Canadians just scraping by will be in big trouble.

[Klause]

grassy can't cut firewood... most of that is done with chainsaws which run on gasoline.


Gotta be carbon neutral. Build a house into the side of a hill, insulate with flax square bales, plaster up the inside with clay and then cover the roof in 50% sky lights and 50% solar panels....





All this b/s with weather... markets... yada yada.


I'm getting the the point where 15 acres in either BC's interior or the Yukon 50 miles from anyone with a log cabin, our horses, and being completely self sufficient is sounding better and better.

[biglentil]

Oh but Grass's magic cows sequester so much carbon he feels the rules and taxes should not apply to him. Just us no till grain farmers.

If you guys haven't heard cooling has shut down at Fukishima again. Yet boy wonder and grassy wants to encourage more nuclear. Crazy!!

There is no suitable replacement for coal power in sask.

[SASKFARMER3]

Again grass explain how my solar or wind power dryer will work for my grain or do i leave it in the field and magically it gets harvested buy the tooth fairy.

Explain how a country that has 6 months of winter and hard brutal cold weather we heat our homes with solar or wind. my home in City is a energy 2000 but after two days with no heat it gets real cold learnt that last winter when furnace needed to be changed.

so again grass please fill us all in how this works on a farm in western canada.

I guess its Communist Russia where we all sit back and let the gov run the show and they party and we freeze for being stupid.

Their is a way to fight this useless carbon tax and gutting of coal in a democratic country.

Next election is in 2019 hopefully were not broke buy then and Ontario voters wake up.

[Oliver88]

Only way to end the madness is to get Ontario voters to wake up and boot out the Liberals and Gerald Butts with his energy program.

In the mean time SaskPower and the Province of Saskatchewan will have to waste tax $ fighting our own federal government. It's hard to believe Trudeau and Butts are going head with these crazy schemes even after Trump knocked out the environmentalist in the election.