Boy blunder now going to kill coal!

[malleefarmer]

same drama in australia clean green renewable most expensive electricity in the worl apparantly only denmark tops us. Wind turbines everywere.

i to wonder were the chinese figures come from?

http://www.afr.com/news/wind-power-drop-played-key-role-in-south-australia-blackout-20161005-grvbqf

weve gone from cheapest in australia to most expensive in 15 yrs all our mines are shut

[malleefarmer]

also some experts suggest we have the most uranium on the planet in outback south australia again we cant mine it

[blueversi]

Greenies won't be happy until we are living like our forefathers did, fire up the generator for a few hours a night for light or better yet use candle light to do some reading. Likely that still wouldn't be good enough, they'd sooner have us live in tents and burn Buffalo chips for heat, if we are even allowed that. Canada won't need an ice age to wipe the country out we will freeze to death before that.

[checking]

Good second page observation, tweety.

Does anyone own a water cannon? It seems to work on pipeline deniers on a cool November day.

I was wondering if it would work on climate change promoters who seem to move their operations around frequently, and are always planning their next move.

[oneoff]

Its only a suspicion (or gut feeling); but those past swings to long ice ages; and then global melting and sea level rises can happen multiple times over only 100,000 years or so.

Could that variability be just a teaser fto lead Justin et al to be making the wrong moves that might combine with Mother Nature to cause complaints about it now "being too cold"

[oneoff]

Lets call grass out to produce evidence for China cutting its dependence on coal energy.

What list of National Enquirer publications and sympathetic reporters does he only listen too.

[SASKFARMER3]

Like i said grass is listening and reading all those fake news web sites that justin reads.

Coal is not the enemy of Canada the Liberals and Trudeau are.


Climate change my ass.

[oneoff]

Does anyone believe that Canada can't come up with a "Trump" potential solution. Last night a worker at Saskatchewan's electrical producer made the comment


"There will be a lot of elections before 2030 (at which time Boundary Dam (and Shand) are slated to be history)"

Now how likely is that substantial electrical generating complex to be fired by natural gas...or is that to be phased out even sooner.

[canolacrazy]

hey, Canadians have to quit whining. we elected Justin knowing full well what he would do. just like Ontario did with wynne.
americans didn't make that mistake this time around.

[westernvicki]

Still curious: without coal, what replaces baseload?

[bucket]

WV


That's as efficient in regards to capital cost?

My guess is there isn't anything close. For baseload.

Natural gas? Maybe.

Nuclear is very expensive.

Hydro but the greenies won't let the valleys be flooded because of a certain species of frog.

[oneoff]

Robin Campbell, president of the Coal Association of Canada, said the move away from coal to renewables like wind, for example, would result in an increased cost to the public.

Campbell said power bills would rise because a wind project would need to be subsidized and the public would foot the bill.

"Coal-fired generation in Canada is not the villain that people would like to think it is," Campbell said.

He referenced global greenhouse gas emission statistics and Canada's contributions of 1.6 per cent. Campbell said shutting down all coal-fired generation in Canada would not make a difference.

Canada's global GHG emissions would only decrease by 0.135 per cent, he said.

[grassfarmer]

Here Oneoff,

[URL="http://www.miningne.ws/2014/04/07/china-plans-mass-coal-mine-shutdown/"]http://http://www.miningne.ws/2014/04/07/china-plans-mass-coal-mine-shutdown/[/URL]

[URL="http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL3N0Y42UV20150513"]http://http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL3N0Y42UV20150513[/URL]

[URL="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/dig-this-china-cuts-coal-production/"]http://https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/dig-this-china-cuts-coal-production/[/URL]

[URL="http://www.vox.com/2014/4/17/5624360/china-coal-boom-ending-climate-change"]http://http://www.vox.com/2014/4/17/5624360/china-coal-boom-ending-climate-change[/URL]

[URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollutio"]http://http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollutio[/URL]

[URL="http://www.efchina.org/Attachments/Report/report-20150420/China-2050-High-Renewable-Energy-Penetration-Scenario-and-Roadmap-Study-Executive-Summary.pdf/view"]http://http://www.efchina.org/Attachments/Report/report-20150420/China-2050-High-Renewable-Energy-Penetration-Scenario-and-Roadmap-Study-Executive-Summary.pdf/view[/URL]

Should keep you all busy reading for the day.

[sk_wheatking]

That's right grassfarmer while Oneoff is busy reading your bullshit propaganda you better be busy cutting firewood for the winter and cutting off whatever source of fossil fuel heats your home and while your at it get a nice team of horses for your wagon because your car runs on the same stuff your furnace runs on.

[oneoff]

As a certain Mr Harvey said innumerable times


"NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY"

When you blindly rely on reported statics (even official ones"...you can be mislead on several fronts. All way from included lies; to estimates and guesses that are high and/or low; to biases and desires to put the reporter in the most favorable light.

Not to mention any incomplete understandings (at every level; including the official collector of data).


I could give examples of how a Crown corporation uses postal codes to determine coverage areas to be included in for example "flood insured properties"

or "green house gas emissions" that federal departments believe have to be multiple or maybe dozens of times greater that industry reported leaks, discharges, venting and flaring. And the measurement inaccuracies that have never been recognized...but are obviously important in any measurement involving differential pressures for example

And the misunderstood connection between the short and long term differences between venting hydrocarbon gases and putting a match to those same compounds and dealing/not dealing with the combustion products.

And then their is the significant smugness of those who can't recognize the aerosol cans that hypocrits never think about; the jet fuel, diesel and gasoline involved in everyone's daily life; the plastics in every product they use without a second thought; and the changes that the elite and powerful exempt THEMSEVES from


in short THEIR OWN CARBON FOOTPRINT that they will never acknowlege