Boy blunder now going to kill coal!

[SASKFARMER3]

Is it just me or are the Idiots running the Asylum. Grass how do you unfreeze a water bowl with a solar panel. Or buy hand dig out a water line in the middle of winter.

We live in Canada close to the arctic circle. Its fracking cold here in winter. We need natural gas to heat our homes and guess what we have so much natural gas its not even funny. Yet were going to heat homes with fairy dust and sparkles.

How fracking stupid are some of you supporters.

We live in Canada and guess what their is snow on the ground for almost half the year. Mosquitoes the other half.

[Hamloc]

We must realize the decision to shut down coal is a political one. As the environment minister stated 80% of Canada's power comes from renewables now. So if you are a government that wants to look like you are doing something for the environment what is the easiest? Coal, it looks dirty, it is an easy sell. Besides Ontario and Quebec don't use coal, Alberta's NDP already is eliminating coal, all that is left is Sask.,Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Not that much political risk.

What I am curious about is natural gas. Yes it is cheap now but two things could raise our heating costs, a necessity in our cold winters. Increased demand for natural gas for electrical generation and of course the carbon tax. At 50$ a tonne that is 2.50 a gigajoule, at today's natural gas price that is almost a 100% increase. What if demand doubles or triples the price of natural gas? Add in the fact electricity prices will increase in certain provinces, those Canadians just scraping by will be in big trouble.

[Klause]

grassy can't cut firewood... most of that is done with chainsaws which run on gasoline.


Gotta be carbon neutral. Build a house into the side of a hill, insulate with flax square bales, plaster up the inside with clay and then cover the roof in 50% sky lights and 50% solar panels....





All this b/s with weather... markets... yada yada.


I'm getting the the point where 15 acres in either BC's interior or the Yukon 50 miles from anyone with a log cabin, our horses, and being completely self sufficient is sounding better and better.

[biglentil]

Oh but Grass's magic cows sequester so much carbon he feels the rules and taxes should not apply to him. Just us no till grain farmers.

If you guys haven't heard cooling has shut down at Fukishima again. Yet boy wonder and grassy wants to encourage more nuclear. Crazy!!

There is no suitable replacement for coal power in sask.

[SASKFARMER3]

Again grass explain how my solar or wind power dryer will work for my grain or do i leave it in the field and magically it gets harvested buy the tooth fairy.

Explain how a country that has 6 months of winter and hard brutal cold weather we heat our homes with solar or wind. my home in City is a energy 2000 but after two days with no heat it gets real cold learnt that last winter when furnace needed to be changed.

so again grass please fill us all in how this works on a farm in western canada.

I guess its Communist Russia where we all sit back and let the gov run the show and they party and we freeze for being stupid.

Their is a way to fight this useless carbon tax and gutting of coal in a democratic country.

Next election is in 2019 hopefully were not broke buy then and Ontario voters wake up.

[Oliver88]

Only way to end the madness is to get Ontario voters to wake up and boot out the Liberals and Gerald Butts with his energy program.

In the mean time SaskPower and the Province of Saskatchewan will have to waste tax $ fighting our own federal government. It's hard to believe Trudeau and Butts are going head with these crazy schemes even after Trump knocked out the environmentalist in the election.

[grassfarmer]

How predictable - you call for me to cite my sources as you claim they are fake news sites and I cite Scientific American and Reuters and no-one bothers to read them or give credit where credit is due. Waste of time arguing with people not interested in facts, content to sit here and bray whatever nonsense you can think up. If any of you bothered to think instead of just bray it might occur strange to you that with China taking these major steps to reduce coal and their GHG emissions it's a fair indication that Trump's claim that climate change was created by the Chinese to impoverish Americans is the obvious hoax in all this.

And for the biggest brayer of all:

Grass how do you unfreeze a water bowl with a solar panel.

We don't need to because human ingenuity creates solutions. Like this system we have used for more than a decade now - not only does it need no power to prevent it freezing, the cows actually pump their own water. There are many solar powered versions on the market too. This kind of innovation, by Canadian farmers that will provide the planet with solutions going forward. Thankfully there are many such Canadians although you wouldn't know it if you believed the whining, crybaby anti-science population that post here are the majority. Thankfully you aren't, you are an embarrassment to agriculture.

[SASKFARMER3]

Ok I should of spelled it out better dig down to 8ft in middle of winter with a shovel when your line bursts or freezes without diesel operated back hoe or track hoe!
Repairing that isn't a luxury it's a must fix!

[grassfarmer]

Might be an issue if there was a line 8' down (there isn't) or if it was a pressurized line (there isn't).
Good job there are a lot of smart Canadians to design things like this.

[Oliver88]

More Liberal eastern favouritism:

90% of our nations coal happens to be located in Western Canada is this why it is a target for Liberals?
Most steel mills are located in east, yet no phase out?

Embargo against oil tankers leaving the northern BC coast yet nothing restricting oil tankers full of OPEC Islamic oil entering the St Lawrence.

A dead duck in a tailings pond in Alberta = Bad
Dead birds under an Ontario wind turbine = Good
Montreal dumping sewage into river = Good
Liter of oil spilled in the west = Bad

[blackpowder]

Ok ill bite.Ill read those articles grass. I subscribe to Scientific American and they are carbon pushers.
#s of mines shut v/opened? Tonnes consumed?. Mongolian coal counted? How? Less lump coal fir stoves, more for industry. What quality?
Isaw a lot of rooftop water heaters over there. In July. Remember they went from Stone age to internet in one generation.
No one here will like the lifestyle of the average Chinese! Harbin may have winter but not Shanghai!
Toobad us deniers are too lazy to dig up counter stats.

[SASKFARMER3]

Ok grass things take time to sink in for you how do you buy hand dog out a frozen water line to your house in mid winter in western canada by shovel?

How do you plug your tractor in to do chores or boost it mid winter! Nice heated shop to work in will be bad! So we're officially becoming peasants!

[greybeard]

I read some of Grassfarmers links that will open.
Most cite pollution so bad it is killing people that have to breath that terrible air.
You rarely can see the sky in Beijing.
They HAD to do something about that!
We looked after smog in the 70's.
Made a lot of blunders with the first attempts.
You can fly out of LA today and barely see a haze in the bowl its situated in.
I think most believers think we can take care or climate change with results like we saw with smog.
All we had to do was make a few technical modification,tweak up the old designs and life just got better.

[blackpowder]

Interesting how we all get something slightly different out of reading the same articles.
11,000 coal companies. 3.5 bmt down from 3.7. Chronic oversupply. Dated articles. Plateau not reduction.
India set to increase.
They arent stupid. They dont like smog either.
Think ill start a new thread.

[sawfly1]

greybeard , exactly. getting rid of smog had some hurdles , but it got done.
and we are still here.

sf 3 you are getting a little carried away, no diesel for the backhoe, no power for the waterer.

i am sure there were lots of letters to the editor in the 70s about how pollution controls
would bankrupt the economy, company s would go out of business , from the cost of cleaning up their emissions. maybe the odd company could not manage it . but as a whole , they made it.

you may be too young to remember the streets in saskatoon or edmonton.
where city buses and gravel trucks , screamed and spewed black crap into the air all day.