Boy blunder now going to kill coal!

[grassfarmer]

How predictable - you call for me to cite my sources as you claim they are fake news sites and I cite Scientific American and Reuters and no-one bothers to read them or give credit where credit is due. Waste of time arguing with people not interested in facts, content to sit here and bray whatever nonsense you can think up. If any of you bothered to think instead of just bray it might occur strange to you that with China taking these major steps to reduce coal and their GHG emissions it's a fair indication that Trump's claim that climate change was created by the Chinese to impoverish Americans is the obvious hoax in all this.

And for the biggest brayer of all:

Grass how do you unfreeze a water bowl with a solar panel.

We don't need to because human ingenuity creates solutions. Like this system we have used for more than a decade now - not only does it need no power to prevent it freezing, the cows actually pump their own water. There are many solar powered versions on the market too. This kind of innovation, by Canadian farmers that will provide the planet with solutions going forward. Thankfully there are many such Canadians although you wouldn't know it if you believed the whining, crybaby anti-science population that post here are the majority. Thankfully you aren't, you are an embarrassment to agriculture.

[SASKFARMER3]

Ok I should of spelled it out better dig down to 8ft in middle of winter with a shovel when your line bursts or freezes without diesel operated back hoe or track hoe!
Repairing that isn't a luxury it's a must fix!

[grassfarmer]

Might be an issue if there was a line 8' down (there isn't) or if it was a pressurized line (there isn't).
Good job there are a lot of smart Canadians to design things like this.

[Oliver88]

More Liberal eastern favouritism:

90% of our nations coal happens to be located in Western Canada is this why it is a target for Liberals?
Most steel mills are located in east, yet no phase out?

Embargo against oil tankers leaving the northern BC coast yet nothing restricting oil tankers full of OPEC Islamic oil entering the St Lawrence.

A dead duck in a tailings pond in Alberta = Bad
Dead birds under an Ontario wind turbine = Good
Montreal dumping sewage into river = Good
Liter of oil spilled in the west = Bad

[blackpowder]

Ok ill bite.Ill read those articles grass. I subscribe to Scientific American and they are carbon pushers.
#s of mines shut v/opened? Tonnes consumed?. Mongolian coal counted? How? Less lump coal fir stoves, more for industry. What quality?
Isaw a lot of rooftop water heaters over there. In July. Remember they went from Stone age to internet in one generation.
No one here will like the lifestyle of the average Chinese! Harbin may have winter but not Shanghai!
Toobad us deniers are too lazy to dig up counter stats.

[SASKFARMER3]

Ok grass things take time to sink in for you how do you buy hand dog out a frozen water line to your house in mid winter in western canada by shovel?

How do you plug your tractor in to do chores or boost it mid winter! Nice heated shop to work in will be bad! So we're officially becoming peasants!

[greybeard]

I read some of Grassfarmers links that will open.
Most cite pollution so bad it is killing people that have to breath that terrible air.
You rarely can see the sky in Beijing.
They HAD to do something about that!
We looked after smog in the 70's.
Made a lot of blunders with the first attempts.
You can fly out of LA today and barely see a haze in the bowl its situated in.
I think most believers think we can take care or climate change with results like we saw with smog.
All we had to do was make a few technical modification,tweak up the old designs and life just got better.

[blackpowder]

Interesting how we all get something slightly different out of reading the same articles.
11,000 coal companies. 3.5 bmt down from 3.7. Chronic oversupply. Dated articles. Plateau not reduction.
India set to increase.
They arent stupid. They dont like smog either.
Think ill start a new thread.

[sawfly1]

greybeard , exactly. getting rid of smog had some hurdles , but it got done.
and we are still here.

sf 3 you are getting a little carried away, no diesel for the backhoe, no power for the waterer.

i am sure there were lots of letters to the editor in the 70s about how pollution controls
would bankrupt the economy, company s would go out of business , from the cost of cleaning up their emissions. maybe the odd company could not manage it . but as a whole , they made it.

you may be too young to remember the streets in saskatoon or edmonton.
where city buses and gravel trucks , screamed and spewed black crap into the air all day.

[sawfly1]

do the people on here that think it is a conspiracy. think that nothing should be done?
just burn it all. no hedging your bets. just in case they are right.

the only circumstance that would make sense not to try is if you think
something else is going to get us first.

and it is possible

a virus, or a nuclear winter from any number of causes , ( an asteroid strike ,
nuclear war, volcanic eruption,) or artificial intelligence gets carried away and wipes us out.

or for some religions , assured that the end time is coming soon , i can see why it would not matter to them, everything but them will burn up anyway. (so why bother cutting emissions)

[SASKFARMER3]

Saw fly what Im trying to say is that if you are a country that has over a 100 years of Coal left and third largest holder of Oil and gas in the world plus nuclear why in the world would you want to kill those industries before all the bugs are out of the new Green movement creations.

Do like the chinese when they see a product that works take pictures steal plans higher workers etc and build the thing cheaper.

Plus why in the world would Canada who produces piss all for Carbon and has more land that no one lives on as a huge sink thats trees and lakes etc want to be the first boy scouts to drop oil when the rest of the world s big players are saying that this is bullshit and lets move one till its perfected.

Really he isn't a genius but a mad scientist who has no clue whats a real job and real peoples lives.

This carbon tax scheme will make the poor really poor. and the middle class move down to poor.

Its a tax and a job killer. If the USA isn't going that way it is simply idiotic for little canada to even contemplate a Carbon tax.

[sawfly1]

yes it will be tough , when the US , does not give a crap
but you would think some one, would or should care if the science is correct.

while i will agree that doing what is right is not donald trumps strong suit .

maybe it should be somebody's

what did your mother tell you , about your friend jumping off a cliff.
just because they do . do you think you should?