Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall stands alone against federal carbon-pricing plan

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Do as I say, not as I do.

You are not a hypocrite, are you chuckChuck?

Promoters/leaders are ahead of the curve. Your expertise appears to be dovetailing agriculture with reduced GHG emitting technologies. I think that should require your on farm test.

Care to share your reduced carbon footprint that causes you to believe your posted years to decades energy shifts?

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Energy use and efficiency in two Canadian organic and conventional crop production systems

J.W. Hoeppner (a1), M.H. Entz (a1), B.G. McConkey (a2), R.P. Zentner (a2) ...
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1079/RAF2005118
Published online: 01 February 2007

Abstract

A goal in sustainable agriculture is to use fossil fuel energy more efficiently in crop production. This 12-year study investigated effects of two crop rotations and two crop production systems (organic versus conventional management) on energy use, energy output and energy-use efficiency. The grain-based rotation included wheat (Triticum aestivum L.)–pea (Pisum sativum L.)–wheat–flax (Linum usitatissimum L.), while the integrated rotation included wheat–alfalfa (Medicago sativa L.)–alfalfa–flax. Energy use was 50% lower with organic than with conventional management, and approximately 40% lower with integrated than with the grain-based rotation. Energy use across all treatments averaged 3420 MJ ha−1 yr−1. Energy output (grain and alfalfa herbage only) across treatments averaged 49,947 MJ ha−1 yr−1 and was affected independently by production system and crop rotation. Energy output in the integrated rotation was three times that of the grain-based rotation; however, this difference was largely due to differences in crop type (whole plant alfalfa compared with grain seed). Energy output was 30% lower with organic than with conventional management. Energy efficiency (output energy/input energy) averaged to 17.4 and was highest in the organic and integrated rotations. A significant rotation by production system interaction (P<0.05) indicated that energy efficiency increases due to crop input reduction (i.e., shift from conventional to organic management) were greater in the integrated than in the grain-based rotation. Greater energy efficiency in the integrated rotation under organic management was attributed to the fact that the forage component was less sensitive to chemical input removal than grain crops.

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Reminds me of all the facts presented of Iraq having WMD's , or the MSM stating all the polls had Hillary ahead by miles....
All B/S based on some deeper agenda.

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Goodness me, chuckChuck.

Nothing current.

I mean this is like comparing encyclopedia technology to the internet, and we know which one won out.

I take from this that you are in no way against the use of fossil fuels, only that they be used efficiently on our farms. I see all hands go up.

If you are messaging that organics is the only efficient use, then you've been consuming too many alfalfa sprouts!

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2007 is relatively current research. Unless your eyesight is failing and you read 1907?

Most of your current farming is based on older research results.

If you have a counter argument present it. Lets see the science that you use to base your enlightened views on.

Or you seem to prefer personal attacks which is usually an indicator that you have little to add to the discussion.

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Testy, testy. Don't get your tit in a knot, chuckChuck.

Here I was being civil with your old study because it would have taken two years to compile, evaluate, and then publish 1993 to 2005 data. It is old and out of date by anyone's standard (including Statistics Canada).

Go back to your bowl of sprouts, or answer my original query, properly, not some irrelevant study pulled out of your encylopedia.

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Testy, testy. Don't get your tit in a knot, chuckChuck.

Here I was being civil with your old study because it would have taken two years to compile, evaluate, and then publish 1993 to 2005 data. It is old and out of date by anyone's standard (including Statistics Canada).

Go back to your bowl of sprouts, or answer my original query, properly, not some irrelevant study pulled out of your encylopedia.

Ouch.

[chuckChuck]

Parsley why aren't you standing up for organic farming? He is taking a chunk out of all your hardwork! LOL

Checking is checking his facts and you are egging him on?

Checking already has made up his mind about just about everything, so there is not much use in presenting fresh or dated evidence as it won't do anything to change his mind anyway.

Oh well,might as well sip my organic latte and go back to reading Das Kapital under my off grid LED lights.

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BTW Parlsey you never did answer my question about Brad Wall and his plan to go 50% renewables by 2030. Whats up with that?

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BTW Parlsey you never did answer my question about Brad Wall and his plan to go 50% renewables by 2030. Whats up with that?

I will answer it for you , it's simple...... everyone wants to get there eventually . we just don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot , that's all. you see he has common sense , he realizes we have to live and earn a living as well. . he doesn't live in a f$&king dream world full of sunny ways and think the budget will balance itself. no one cares for the land, water and environment more than farmers . too bad city folk didn't care as much . he is picking 2030 because of pressure from left wing fanatics who have all day to argue about the same thing over and over , while the rest of the country is working and being productive. too bad he wouldn't hold a referendum and get us out of this mess