Do you think this is right as a farmer or not?

[stonepicker]

The federal and provincial government's agenda is to have bigger farms.

It's easier for bill boyd to talk to the needs of the tappaufs of the world in forgotten phone calls.

Stewart and ritzs buddies at a cattle company needs more pasture in a few years....policy is made to sell pasture to the patrons that eventually are handed an unbelievable offer in a few years.....blah blah blah.

Boyd needs his farm expenses paid for .....run it thru the government with an auditor that is so ****ing stupid as to how the kickback occurred....and yes I suggested that's exactly what happened but that wasn't her mandate to figure out is what she told me.


Less farmers .... less headaches....easier to find more common ground.

Why do you think dairy is so profitable? Few producers with one voice.


Buckle up and get to your 30000 acres.

Less towns hospitals public services etc....it's a win for all those on that path..... Government...large farm CEOs. ...federated coop .....etc etc etc.


The mandate has been with government for a while to promote larger farms.....it's been an unwritten policy but the noise has been there.....just have to watch the players involved.


And whoever sent me that roll of tinfoil.....thanks but I have run out.....lol.

lol bucket, these are ndp policies that you listed ( and you like the ndp ) What gives??

[stonepicker]

The 30% charge on the rent is really not a rental increase. It is a surcharge to force your hand. Either pay the increase,buy the land or cancel the lease. The rental formula is still in place so the rent for 2017 will be calculated then the 30 % Will be added on. Government employees make no excuses, the government wants out of the land ownership business and the surcharge is put on to make it unprofitable to rent. The only way they can sell the land is if the renter cancels the long term lease. So it's shit or get off the pot. I am going through the process now.

Thanks for " the rest of the story " like.

[kaj100un]

Caseih. You are correct on the rental being lower but nowhere near those numbers. First of all u pay on every acre of the land at different rental levels. You also pay the taxes. Compared to the other land we rent and compared to what neighbors are paying the land bank lease was likely 15 % less. That was till about three years ago. Since that time rental has been higher on this land and since you are dealing with the government there are no rental negotiations.Hindsight is always great and we should have bought this land years ago,but that could be said for every piece of land.Just rough numbers but if we where to rent this land this year,with the taxes in the rent would be twice what is being payed to private landlords

[riders2010]

No land bank 12 dollar acre land here.
But land that was priced according to grain prices as set out in the agreement and was always give or take compared to private.

Do you think it's right given the situation for sask ag to do this? Particularly when as I said crop is out they really can't wait until spring but they can go beg for an extension for oil buddies?

[riders2010]

Renters here are being told its part of the formula and not a surcharge, the surcharge is illegal just as the rental rates have been for the past 3 years this is a class action situation involving millions of dollars

there is no provision for a surcharge in the rental agreement.

[riders2010]

thanks for confirming its been illegal for 3 years, there is no provision for raising rents on a whim to pay debt of the province.

[bucket]

Stonepicker

Governments all become corrupt without change in personel.

Leaving a minister in one portfolio too long breeds corruption.

[kaj100un]

I am sure government officials are choosing their words carefully and "surcharge " isn't likely one of them but really what else is it. Rental formulas are based on the yearly average price of a basket of commodities and the productivity of your land. Grazing rates are based on cattle prices and your AUM. The only way to hide the 30% increase would be to add it to the commodity prices and that would be hard to justify if it went to court.The representative that I've been dealing with has been very upfront about it.

[Retired]

Whats the big deal If you are getting welfare on your rent like the grazing leases are here in alta shut the **** up. Whats the secret ,no one seems willing to say what they are paying,just its too much, are you ashamed to tell the whole story ?? As for price of beef ,did aNYONE PAY 300% 3 YR AGO WHEN CALF PRICES WENT THROUGH THE ROOF ? Sorry for caps,big fingers When rents weer put in it was for a 1000# cow have anyone paid more for those 1800# cows? Quit bitching you are going to have to come off the TIT sooner or later.

[Ronski]

Whats the big deal If you are getting welfare on your rent like the grazing leases are here in alta shut the **** up. Whats the secret ,no one seems willing to say what they are paying,just its too much, are you ashamed to tell the whole story ?? As for price of beef ,did aNYONE PAY 300% 3 YR AGO WHEN CALF PRICES WENT THROUGH THE ROOF ? Sorry for caps,big fingers When rents weer put in it was for a 1000# cow have anyone paid more for those 1800# cows? Quit bitching you are going to have to come off the TIT sooner or later.

The whole scheme in Alberta is ****ered. Between rent paid out vs surface lease payments plus the surety of a looooong term lease vs the potato guy next door calling your landlord offering $200 an acre for a one year term and you get to deal with the washouts and unharvested Hills the next year cause his shed and contracts were full before he got to the pinch points of the field make government leases a sweetheart deal.