Where are our farm groups?

[sumdumguy]

Wall is the only premier with a brain, but absolutely the people who depend on carbon for growing food should be supporting him against a sea of whackos. Whackos who believe that the country is better off supporting terrorists and dictatorships.

Farm leaders and farmers in general should be vocally supporting Wall. Let's get on the phone when Gormley is discussing this because the ones who should be doing it are planning their next convention in Maui.

[bucket]

My guess. ...is that because some of the farm leaders still actually farm have been busy ....still harvesting.


Not sure what the office people at various groups do without their guidance but they could be working on some main talking points.


Besides the farm voice is now mute. ...has been for a while. We really don't matter. If you are not over 10000 acres the government would rather see you disappear. That's their unwritten policy.

[farmaholic]

The Primary Producer's wallets will speak louder than any farm group's voice! Stop spending and when our "dependant" suppliers of goods and services start crying maybe someone will notice.

Ignore the hub of the wheel too long and see what happens.

[riders2010]

Both governments are broke many on here called for a gst raise etc. The carbon tax if we are exempt like gst on direct purchases will cost us some money but no where near the carbon sequestration bullshit.
On one hand wall is saying the carbon cost is stupid but he s costing is more on carbon than the other stupid program.

Walls ag policy has screwed farm families a hundred times more than any carbon program.

Wouldn't fight for a good agristability
Crop premiums are retarted
Doubled land rents
Forcing farmers out of business
Deals for his farmer friend land barons
Rural roads
Rural schools
Rural hospitals
Maybe things are good in your area of you are by an oil well but if you aren't his policy of waiting for oil to hit 100 dollars has destroyed many rural farm families and towns.
And don't bother going off about the ndp they have no policy either for us.

[chuckChuck]

There is a range of opinions from farmers on the issue of climate change, reducing carbon emissions and a price on carbon. Right here on agriville there is no consensus. Don't assume everyone is in the same bubble on this issue.

The Wheat Growers, the NFU and KAP have taken positions. What about the rest?

Many farmers are touting the benefits of direct seeding and reducing tillage as a way of reducing carbon emissions. If so, they must see the need.

[riders2010]

Where are our farm groups in regards to the disaster farm families are facing with crop out?
You're done sumdum so not an issue for you right?

Wall and Trudeau are doing the exact same thing.
Wall makes us pay carbon sequestration in order for power to be accepted produced that way
Trudeau using carbon tax to sell oil is really what it is.
If the world stops the carbon bullshit then both of them are wrong.

Trump is a true leader on this issue saying screw all that bull
Both of these weenies did not stand up to the world did they. Calling the kettle black is wall.

[bucket]

A petition with a brown bag of cash might go somewhere. Otherwise it's a waste of ink.

[Oliver88]

From what I've noticed the WCWG, Sask Pulse Growers and SARM have both spoke out against a carbon tax. Other groups likely have but haven't got too much media attention.
I agree that this is a HUGE issue that will put us at a great disadvantage, especially now with Trump as USA president.

I have never met a grain farmer in Sask that thinks a carbon tax is a good idea, this is the easiest issue to form a consensus on that exists.

This is an issue that our levy collecting groups should speak out against for the good of all producers.

[Braveheart]

Chuck, farmers reduce tillage 1) to try to make more money ie. machine costs, fuel costs, labor costs, etc. 2) to conserve soil 3) to save moisture ha,ha,ha, used to anyway. Reducing carbon would be way down the list or not on most lists.

[fjlip]

Carbon Tax vid from Australia...oh the insanity


https://www.youtube.com/embed/BC1l4geSTP8

[bucket]

Braveheart

One of the outcomes in the list you stated is the reduction in carbon by sequestering.

Getting our share of our contribution to cleaning up others mess is the challenge.

[mustardman]

I think a carbon is the FREE Markets way of convincing a switch to renewables. The tax can be used to pay for them.
The CCS experiment is VERY Expensive and will increase our Power bills X 2

[furrowtickler]

Chuck , that list had to do with profitability, and has nothing to do with reducing carbon output. It just convenient that it fit in.

[mustardman]

http://www.eia.gov/outlooks/…/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf
USA Average Levilized cots of energy (LCOE) for plants coming on stream in 2022 in USA in 2015 $/Mwh. No subsidies included.

Coal with CCS - $139.5
Natural Gas Conventional Combined cycle - $58.1
Natural Gas Advanced Combined cycle -$57.2
Natural Gas CC with CCS -$84.8
Natural Gas Conventional Combustion Turbine - $110.8
Natural Gas Advanced Combustion Turbine - $94.7

Advanced Nuclear - $102.8
Geothermal -$45
Biomass -$96.1

Wind - $64.5
Wind Offshore - $158.1
Solar PV - $84.7
Solar Thermal -$235.9
Hydroelectric -$67.8











www.eia.gov

http://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf



www.eia.gov

[bucket]

Hydro would be easy for Saskatchewan and Alberta. ...there are many sites to reuse the same water downstream to produce power but the environmentalists won't let a dam be built.