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    #11
    Carbon tax expected to have minimal impact on Albertans' electricity bills
    Large emitters already paying carbon price and new system will include subsidies for power generation

    By Robson Fletcher, CBC News Posted: Dec 19, 2016 5:30 AM MT Last Updated: Dec 19, 2016 5:30 AM MT
    Electricity prices for consumers aren't expected to rise when Alberta's new carbon tax takes effect in 2017, as large-scale emitters already face carbon pricing under existing provincial policy and planned changes in 2018 are to include new subsidies.

    Electricity prices for consumers aren't expected to rise when Alberta's new carbon tax takes effect in 2017, as large-scale emitters already face carbon pricing under existing provincial policy and planned changes in 2018 are to include new subsidies. (CBC)
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    When Alberta's new carbon tax kicks in on Jan. 1, 2017, it will raise the price of gasoline for your car, diesel for your truck, propane for your barbecue and natural gas for your furnace.

    But what impact will it have on your electricity bill?

    Very little, according to University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe.

    "In short: electricity prices aren't expected to move at all on Jan. 1," he told CBC News.

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    That's largely because the emissions of major power producers are already covered by Alberta's existing carbon pricing system that applies only to large emitters.

    These emitters will continue under the same system until the end of 2017, according to the Alberta government.

    A new pricing system will be implemented in 2018 but, even then, Tombe said it's not clear if that will result in increased electricity prices because of new, output-based subsidies for large emitters that will be introduced at the same time in order to help Alberta companies stay competitive.

    "Carbon pricing will raises a firm's costs … the output subsidy then lowers costs," Tombe said, noting the net effect can be zero, depending on the size of the subsidy.

    In Alberta's complex electricity market, Tombe said prices will be determined by the marginal bidder in the power pool, which will be natural gas, not coal. And he said natural gas prices are not expected to rise under the new pricing system — some may even fall — since the output subsidies will be calibrated to offset the carbon-pricing effect on natural gas costs.

    Enmax spokeswoman Doris Kaufmann Woodcock also said customers shouldn't expect their electricity bills to rise on Jan. 1.

    "Carbon costs for electricity generation are applied to generators, not retailers," she said in an email.

    "Due to Alberta's competitive market structure, generators will initially absorb the costs involved and eventually the wholesale electricity market will adjust for the overall increases."

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      #12
      Chuck chuck

      I understand your comments but why are businesses allowed to increase prices using this or that as an excuse and no one stands up for consumers? Not even the consumers themselves.

      The carbon tax is an excuse to hike prices....the end users can't get a rebate on forced higher costs.

      A 5 percent rebate on a 10 percent increase isn't saving anyone money.

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        #13
        Originally posted by farmaholic View Post
        There's 34 months left to watch it burn before you have a chance for change...if there's no change the dumpster fire turns into a grease fire.

        Do you honestly think the Drama Selfie King is driving policy....hardly. Ah we aaa will make ah ah gasp Canada great aa a ah again.....
        You nailed it this is one of Fidel Jr's advisors driving this policy, Gerald Butts.

        He thought he did a great job running Ontario into the red and increasing their electrical rates so now he wants to try it on a federal level.

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          #14
          Could we at least agree that both price increases and any price decreases too... happen under the watch period of those who are in control of the government of the day.

          Feeling like being dragged down again??.

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            #15
            The point isn't all about exact date of Jan 1 increases. The first working day is quite often a few days later. Kinda obvious to a t least a few.

            Its those 5 and 10% increases that get added on and then become permanent and are used as the base rate to add of the next increase ....and so on...which when not paid becomes debt or even uncollectable.

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              #16
              Hamloc, are you going with perforated tin on the inside of your shop? ( tremendous improvement in acoustics compared to solid tin )

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                #17
                Grassfarmer I sense your sarcasm and I agree businesses use any excuse to raise prices. What offends me is that our present government leaders are trying to tell us that we won't notice the slight increase in cost of living from the incoming carbon tax.

                I disagree with them on what it will cost and I don't believe it will make any difference to the environment, industry will simply move to lower tax jurisdictions. One example, read an article in the National post about a manufacturing plant in Ontario that makes nut and bolts. Employs 220 people and they want to expand. Considering building in Illinois because electricity is 1/3 the cost. Not closing their Ontario plant but not expanding it either.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by stonepicker View Post
                  Hamloc, are you going with perforated tin on the inside of your shop? ( tremendous improvement in acoustics compared to solid tin )
                  We were thinking that or plastic tin ? Any thoughts?

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                    #19
                    Well Hammy, here I go.....take with a grain of salt.....industries leaving because of higher costs, yes, an issue...but will some look for efficiencies due to prices going up in certain areas? Like I have said many times before, I did nothing about my power until it went up, then I started using timers, energy efficient light bulbs and energy efficient cattle waterers....I have and continue to install fountains that use 150 watts instead of 1500.
                    On your building...could you get away with a smaller building....or do you need it that size to store your RV and collector cars....mine stores horse drawn equipment and I keep the woodworking part warm so I can organize and clean it ...never seem to get around to building much...;-)
                    Houses...IMHO, we could build houses 20% smaller and still have a lot of waste...my wife and I are in a house that is way too big for us...but we love it...however, we certainly could do with less. Around here, some of the houses look more like hotels than dwellings....just seems wrong....
                    Son in law runs a bunch of graders, it is going to impact them and he is ticked....however he mentioned that the crew were discussing what they could do to lower their fuel bill...my reply..."it's working..!" Hope this will cut down on some of the diesels that run all day and night just to stay toasty warm for the poor operators.
                    This is going to be a kick in the ass, and one day we will look back and it may seem so trivial...think it would eventually come, no matter who was in power....just a different timeline. Likely few will see the "other side"...but there will be some good out of this.....
                    2 days in a row....;-(
                    Cheers

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by caseih View Post
                      We were thinking that or plastic tin ? Any thoughts?
                      No one around here has plastic tin, so don't know about that. I do know the perforated tin works very well.

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