Interesting Day

[Oliver88]

There's 34 months left to watch it burn before you have a chance for change...if there's no change the dumpster fire turns into a grease fire.

Do you honestly think the Drama Selfie King is driving policy....hardly. Ah we aaa will make ah ah gasp Canada great aa a ah again.....

You nailed it this is one of Fidel Jr's advisors driving this policy, Gerald Butts.

He thought he did a great job running Ontario into the red and increasing their electrical rates so now he wants to try it on a federal level.

[oneoff]

Could we at least agree that both price increases and any price decreases too... happen under the watch period of those who are in control of the government of the day.

Feeling like being dragged down again??.

[oneoff]

The point isn't all about exact date of Jan 1 increases. The first working day is quite often a few days later. Kinda obvious to a t least a few.

Its those 5 and 10% increases that get added on and then become permanent and are used as the base rate to add of the next increase ....and so on...which when not paid becomes debt or even uncollectable.

[stonepicker]

Hamloc, are you going with perforated tin on the inside of your shop? ( tremendous improvement in acoustics compared to solid tin )

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer I sense your sarcasm and I agree businesses use any excuse to raise prices. What offends me is that our present government leaders are trying to tell us that we won't notice the slight increase in cost of living from the incoming carbon tax.

I disagree with them on what it will cost and I don't believe it will make any difference to the environment, industry will simply move to lower tax jurisdictions. One example, read an article in the National post about a manufacturing plant in Ontario that makes nut and bolts. Employs 220 people and they want to expand. Considering building in Illinois because electricity is 1/3 the cost. Not closing their Ontario plant but not expanding it either.

[Guest]

Hamloc, are you going with perforated tin on the inside of your shop? ( tremendous improvement in acoustics compared to solid tin )

We were thinking that or plastic tin ? Any thoughts?

[perfecho]

Well Hammy, here I go.....take with a grain of salt.....industries leaving because of higher costs, yes, an issue...but will some look for efficiencies due to prices going up in certain areas? Like I have said many times before, I did nothing about my power until it went up, then I started using timers, energy efficient light bulbs and energy efficient cattle waterers....I have and continue to install fountains that use 150 watts instead of 1500.
On your building...could you get away with a smaller building....or do you need it that size to store your RV and collector cars....mine stores horse drawn equipment and I keep the woodworking part warm so I can organize and clean it ...never seem to get around to building much...;-)
Houses...IMHO, we could build houses 20% smaller and still have a lot of waste...my wife and I are in a house that is way too big for us...but we love it...however, we certainly could do with less. Around here, some of the houses look more like hotels than dwellings....just seems wrong....
Son in law runs a bunch of graders, it is going to impact them and he is ticked....however he mentioned that the crew were discussing what they could do to lower their fuel bill...my reply..."it's working..!" Hope this will cut down on some of the diesels that run all day and night just to stay toasty warm for the poor operators.
This is going to be a kick in the ass, and one day we will look back and it may seem so trivial...think it would eventually come, no matter who was in power....just a different timeline. Likely few will see the "other side"...but there will be some good out of this.....
2 days in a row....;-(
Cheers

[stonepicker]

We were thinking that or plastic tin ? Any thoughts?

No one around here has plastic tin, so don't know about that. I do know the perforated tin works very well.

[SASKFARMER3]

Perfecto your comments you could build a smaller building, did you not learn anything in the last two weeks cold snap we live in Canada. God some are such morons on how stuff works. Our shop is big but the next one will be twice as big because when shit breaks down and it does in winter a large shop works. Last week we had one big T one antique two big mechanical tractors three half tons and a dully all getting repaired and I could of used a area for three semis and trailers also.

It's a useless drama teacher and a useless government killing Canada in the name of carbon when we're a negative producer. Vast carbon sinks that do more for the world.

Yet China can't land a plane this week and they aren't changing anything

Idiot idiot idiot.

[blackpowder]

This time we wont have to wait 80,000 years to see who's right or wrong.
I'm sure most on here will be on here in 4 -10 years. Hopefully the smug crowd will remember this day and what was said.

Make sure you detail today, in print, how the economy will be as good or better because of the govts current policies.
How the reformed economy will have a lower jobless rate in 4 years.
The wonders of this newly discovered economic law will surely anoint us all.

[ajl]

Four years from now the average guy will be worse off and government workers better off as the carbon tax proceeds will fund the public sector pension fund deficit and there will be no change at all in the climate.

[Hamloc]

Perfecho at present I have converted one section of my old hog barn into a heated shop. Unfortunately it only has an 11 foot ceiling to low to get a combine in or my tractor that runs the shredder. I am not building it for my Holiday trailer or my non existent collector car collection lol.

I have one other question for you. At present the best case scenario for windmills is 40% production efficiency. Therefore if we built enough windmills to supply 100% of our capacity they would only supply 40% of our need. Does our march towards this wonderful green future include the inability to do math?