Interesting Day

[Hamloc]

Right now in the process of building a farm shop. 3 things of interest developed from this in relation to the carbon tax this week. Building supplier phones and tells me I better get the metal ordered for finishing the inside, his wholesaler has called and the price is going up 30 cents a lineal foot Jan. 1. Considering the present price was 2.47 a foot that is over a 10% increase. Then having a bullshit with the backhoe guy after putting in the septic tank he said he was raising his rates 10% after the new year has no choice his costs are going up. Then I was talking to the concrete guy who delivered the septic tank, he said supplier won't give a firm price but it looks like the carbon tax is going to increase the cost of concrete powder by 20-30%. Hey said concrete powder makes up 65% of the cost of concrete. Now for all you enviro nuts who say the carbon tax won't affect prices very much, you are full of shit! Imagine how this increased cost of concrete will affect our wonderful Prime Ministers infrastructure projects!

[furrowtickler]

Hmmmm who woulda thunk .
Even if We get a petty rebate on the fuel we burn , the rest of our costs will be bore by us. Take 10-20% off your net income going foreward regardless of any "rebate"

[15444]

Hmmmm who woulda thunk .
Even if We get a petty rebate on the fuel we burn , the rest of our costs will be bore by us. Take 10-20% off your net income going foreward regardless of any "rebate"

I am not betting that we get any rebate for farm fuel. The old man was full of shit and so is the son.

[SASKFARMER3]

I said it before and I'll say it again, he's a idiot who is going to kill this country with his bullshit ideas.

[Oliver88]

CNR fuel cost increases
CPR fuel cost increases
Port costs increase eventually to $50/tonne.
Canola crusher expenses increasing in Alberta
Fertilizer plant increases in Alberta
Eventual electricity cost increase as coal powered power plants being phased out and more unreliable sources are used.
All freight coming in from east coast or west coast will increase.
Poor people get to spend more on groceries and staple goods.
Canadian businesses will have an unfair advantage against USA, Australia, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

Will there be a net decrease in GHG? Only if there is a severe recession and the economic activity drops off enough.

The only way to turn the tide on these insane policies is Ontario to wake up and vote out the federal Liberals.......until than we will watch the dumpster fire burn.

[farmaholic]

There's 34 months left to watch it burn before you have a chance for change...if there's no change the dumpster fire turns into a grease fire.

Do you honestly think the Drama Selfie King is driving policy....hardly. Ah we aaa will make ah ah gasp Canada great aa a ah again.....

[ajl]

Economic activity in Canuckistan will come to a standstill In Q1 while people try to assess the impact of the tax. If any good will come out of this it will be that the NDP will disappear forever.

[grassfarmer]

Yeah Hamloc I spoke to the fertilizer dealer yesterday and they told me i'd better get it bought before year end as price is going up in the New Year. Damn Trudeau/Notley/Carbon Tax hey?

[bucket]

The tax in Saskatchewan hasn't been forced on us yet ....but companies have found a way to jack prices. ...fuel fertilizer.....

No one says anything on behalf of consumers.


Wouldn't it be nice to jack up our commodity prices because of the carbon tax a year in advance.....then they would say the Americans and others don't have a carbon tax and you are competing against them....tough shit.

Grates me every day.......this tax will cost jobs......

[chuckChuck]

The carbon tax is not even in place and suppliers are increasing their prices on old inventory made without carbon tax?

Sounds like an opportunity to blame the carbon tax for price increases even when you don't know why they are increasing prices.

Are there other reasons the prices are going up? So before the carbon tax did you ever see prices rise for some unknown or known reason? I have often seen complaints in the past about farm input prices rising on Agriville.

Why is it that gas prices often rise before the long weekends in the summer?

This is a great opportunity to blame all price increases on the carbon tax and reaffirm your hatred of Notley and Trudeau.

[chuckChuck]

Carbon tax expected to have minimal impact on Albertans' electricity bills
Large emitters already paying carbon price and new system will include subsidies for power generation

By Robson Fletcher, CBC News Posted: Dec 19, 2016 5:30 AM MT Last Updated: Dec 19, 2016 5:30 AM MT
Electricity prices for consumers aren't expected to rise when Alberta's new carbon tax takes effect in 2017, as large-scale emitters already face carbon pricing under existing provincial policy and planned changes in 2018 are to include new subsidies.

Electricity prices for consumers aren't expected to rise when Alberta's new carbon tax takes effect in 2017, as large-scale emitters already face carbon pricing under existing provincial policy and planned changes in 2018 are to include new subsidies. (CBC)
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When Alberta's new carbon tax kicks in on Jan. 1, 2017, it will raise the price of gasoline for your car, diesel for your truck, propane for your barbecue and natural gas for your furnace.

But what impact will it have on your electricity bill?

Very little, according to University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe.

"In short: electricity prices aren't expected to move at all on Jan. 1," he told CBC News.

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That's largely because the emissions of major power producers are already covered by Alberta's existing carbon pricing system that applies only to large emitters.

These emitters will continue under the same system until the end of 2017, according to the Alberta government.

A new pricing system will be implemented in 2018 but, even then, Tombe said it's not clear if that will result in increased electricity prices because of new, output-based subsidies for large emitters that will be introduced at the same time in order to help Alberta companies stay competitive.

"Carbon pricing will raises a firm's costs … the output subsidy then lowers costs," Tombe said, noting the net effect can be zero, depending on the size of the subsidy.

In Alberta's complex electricity market, Tombe said prices will be determined by the marginal bidder in the power pool, which will be natural gas, not coal. And he said natural gas prices are not expected to rise under the new pricing system — some may even fall — since the output subsidies will be calibrated to offset the carbon-pricing effect on natural gas costs.

Enmax spokeswoman Doris Kaufmann Woodcock also said customers shouldn't expect their electricity bills to rise on Jan. 1.

"Carbon costs for electricity generation are applied to generators, not retailers," she said in an email.

"Due to Alberta's competitive market structure, generators will initially absorb the costs involved and eventually the wholesale electricity market will adjust for the overall increases."

[bucket]

Chuck chuck

I understand your comments but why are businesses allowed to increase prices using this or that as an excuse and no one stands up for consumers? Not even the consumers themselves.

The carbon tax is an excuse to hike prices....the end users can't get a rebate on forced higher costs.

A 5 percent rebate on a 10 percent increase isn't saving anyone money.

[Oliver88]

There's 34 months left to watch it burn before you have a chance for change...if there's no change the dumpster fire turns into a grease fire.

Do you honestly think the Drama Selfie King is driving policy....hardly. Ah we aaa will make ah ah gasp Canada great aa a ah again.....

You nailed it this is one of Fidel Jr's advisors driving this policy, Gerald Butts.

He thought he did a great job running Ontario into the red and increasing their electrical rates so now he wants to try it on a federal level.

[oneoff]

Could we at least agree that both price increases and any price decreases too... happen under the watch period of those who are in control of the government of the day.

Feeling like being dragged down again??.

[oneoff]

The point isn't all about exact date of Jan 1 increases. The first working day is quite often a few days later. Kinda obvious to a t least a few.

Its those 5 and 10% increases that get added on and then become permanent and are used as the base rate to add of the next increase ....and so on...which when not paid becomes debt or even uncollectable.