Interesting Day

[stonepicker]

Hamloc, are you going with perforated tin on the inside of your shop? ( tremendous improvement in acoustics compared to solid tin )

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer I sense your sarcasm and I agree businesses use any excuse to raise prices. What offends me is that our present government leaders are trying to tell us that we won't notice the slight increase in cost of living from the incoming carbon tax.

I disagree with them on what it will cost and I don't believe it will make any difference to the environment, industry will simply move to lower tax jurisdictions. One example, read an article in the National post about a manufacturing plant in Ontario that makes nut and bolts. Employs 220 people and they want to expand. Considering building in Illinois because electricity is 1/3 the cost. Not closing their Ontario plant but not expanding it either.

[Guest]

Hamloc, are you going with perforated tin on the inside of your shop? ( tremendous improvement in acoustics compared to solid tin )

We were thinking that or plastic tin ? Any thoughts?

[perfecho]

Well Hammy, here I go.....take with a grain of salt.....industries leaving because of higher costs, yes, an issue...but will some look for efficiencies due to prices going up in certain areas? Like I have said many times before, I did nothing about my power until it went up, then I started using timers, energy efficient light bulbs and energy efficient cattle waterers....I have and continue to install fountains that use 150 watts instead of 1500.
On your building...could you get away with a smaller building....or do you need it that size to store your RV and collector cars....mine stores horse drawn equipment and I keep the woodworking part warm so I can organize and clean it ...never seem to get around to building much...;-)
Houses...IMHO, we could build houses 20% smaller and still have a lot of waste...my wife and I are in a house that is way too big for us...but we love it...however, we certainly could do with less. Around here, some of the houses look more like hotels than dwellings....just seems wrong....
Son in law runs a bunch of graders, it is going to impact them and he is ticked....however he mentioned that the crew were discussing what they could do to lower their fuel bill...my reply..."it's working..!" Hope this will cut down on some of the diesels that run all day and night just to stay toasty warm for the poor operators.
This is going to be a kick in the ass, and one day we will look back and it may seem so trivial...think it would eventually come, no matter who was in power....just a different timeline. Likely few will see the "other side"...but there will be some good out of this.....
2 days in a row....;-(
Cheers

[stonepicker]

We were thinking that or plastic tin ? Any thoughts?

No one around here has plastic tin, so don't know about that. I do know the perforated tin works very well.

[SASKFARMER3]

Perfecto your comments you could build a smaller building, did you not learn anything in the last two weeks cold snap we live in Canada. God some are such morons on how stuff works. Our shop is big but the next one will be twice as big because when shit breaks down and it does in winter a large shop works. Last week we had one big T one antique two big mechanical tractors three half tons and a dully all getting repaired and I could of used a area for three semis and trailers also.

It's a useless drama teacher and a useless government killing Canada in the name of carbon when we're a negative producer. Vast carbon sinks that do more for the world.

Yet China can't land a plane this week and they aren't changing anything

Idiot idiot idiot.

[blackpowder]

This time we wont have to wait 80,000 years to see who's right or wrong.
I'm sure most on here will be on here in 4 -10 years. Hopefully the smug crowd will remember this day and what was said.

Make sure you detail today, in print, how the economy will be as good or better because of the govts current policies.
How the reformed economy will have a lower jobless rate in 4 years.
The wonders of this newly discovered economic law will surely anoint us all.

[ajl]

Four years from now the average guy will be worse off and government workers better off as the carbon tax proceeds will fund the public sector pension fund deficit and there will be no change at all in the climate.

[Hamloc]

Perfecho at present I have converted one section of my old hog barn into a heated shop. Unfortunately it only has an 11 foot ceiling to low to get a combine in or my tractor that runs the shredder. I am not building it for my Holiday trailer or my non existent collector car collection lol.

I have one other question for you. At present the best case scenario for windmills is 40% production efficiency. Therefore if we built enough windmills to supply 100% of our capacity they would only supply 40% of our need. Does our march towards this wonderful green future include the inability to do math?

[checking]

We will argue forever over uncertainty.

I wish that the all or none principle would apply, declare war on carbon, and issue the ration books, or just forget it, as it will never work out the way we think it will work out given the element of time.

[grassfarmer]

Good post again Perfecho, we've missed your common sense around here. SF3 by his comments in reply to you highlight the problem. The attitude of entitlement, to be bigger, greedier, more wasteful of resources show no regard for the future of the planet or future generations living on it. It's all about ME.
Forget the carbon tax, that attitude to resource use is not sustainable, we simply can't go on like that.

Blackpowder, I for one don't expect the carbon tax to improve the economy, create more jobs or make us wealthier. It's a pill that has to be swallowed to prevent a potentially fatal illness for the human race.

[checking]

It snowed in the Sahara desert. First time in 37 years of global warming.

Common thread is "run for your lives".

[Jay-mo]

It is a pill, you got that right GF.

[Hamloc]

Stonepicker hadn't heard of the perforated tin before. Interesting idea though, unfortunately my tin arrived yesterday. Thanks for the suggestion.

Grassfarmer I don't think my building of a shop is out of greed or entitlement. With the cost of mechanical work at dealerships at about 125 dollars an hour I consider the shop a necessity. As I stated I would like to be able to do maintenance on a combine as an example in the winter. Also I believe it would be much easier on my daily use chore tractor which sits in an uninsulated tarp shelter and even though the block heater is on a timer the transmission is very stiff at -30. I should have bit the bullet and put synthetic transmission fluid in it, haven't done so yet.

If you really think the present Canadian carbon tax will help future generations I again use Ontario as an example. The stated Alberta NDP governments goals are as far as I can see no different than Dalton McGuinty's were about a decade ago for Ontario. Look how that went. I would agree with you it is a pill but I would say it is a suppository applied with no lube lol! Anyway always enjoy the debate Grassfarmer.

[blackpowder]

Well at least we agree on a few things grassfarmer. Now if only the politicians would say it the way you did.