War on Carbon vs. War on Cigarettes

[sk_wheatking]

I ain't paying no carbon tax !

Politicians can get off there ass and clean up Canada's inner cities garbage and filth if they are worried about the environment !

# cheap energy grows an economy !

# all out war against politicians who want to tax to the Max !

# get rid of politicians that are no good !

You nailed it! Especially the inner city garbage and filth. Also along with the growing population of drug users who are useless to society but get tax funding for needles and injection sites along with food and clothing etc. As far as drugs go I'm with the guy who ripped Obama a new one. He was from Indonesia. Obama didn't like it that when they caught the trafficking guys and the producers they were knocked out permanently. ...right then and there! Drug issues. .....solved!

[chuckChuck]

sk wheatking
It was the president of the Philipines.

And apparently there is no rule of law in the Philipines. If you are a supected drug user or trafficker the cops act as judge, jury and executioner.

Fortunately most Canadians believe in a fair trial and conviction before penalties. Apparently you want to go back to middle ages.

Why not bring back stoning, beheading and burning at the stake?

[grassfarmer]

AF5, Here is the research on smoking and tobacco taxes.

[URL="http://fjc.people.uic.edu/Presentations/Papers/taxes_consump_rev.pdf"]http://http://fjc.people.uic.edu/Presentations/Papers/taxes_consump_rev.pdf[/URL]

Here is the crucial info as I know most don't like reading lengthy articles.

Question asked: How Effective are Taxes in Reducing Tobacco Consumption?

Answer: The review of the literature clearly shows that the answer to the question posed in the title of this chapter is 'very effective'. Increasing cigarette and other tobacco taxes will lead to significant reductions in the use of these products, resulting from reductions in the frequency of use by continuing users, as well as reductions in the prevalence of use.

It works, so will a carbon tax.

[SASKFARMER3]

Chucks when the liberals take us down this path and business leaves plus jobs unemployment grows we do become a third world country and that is where he is taking us.

Why would you kill the golden goose oil just to pretend solar and wind are the next best thing.

Why not milk oil and gas and watch the rest of the world and when a alternate is found then switch.

Not kill one to go the other way really makes sense especially when your number three in the wold.

Real genius

[may-be]

And more recently:

In 2013, Swedish GHG emissions to*talled 55.8 million tonnes of carbon di*oxide equivalents, compared with 71.8 million tonnes in 1990 – a 22 per cent reduction. Meanwhile, Sweden’s GDP grew 58 per cent during this time period.

What changes did they make for higher reductions than us? Besides not burning their garbage to heat the towns homes and water...We have been reducing our emissions by zero till, more environmentally friendly vehicles, equipment ,appliances, led bulbs, more insulation in our homes, recycling, etc. As new technologies get better I'm positive we will embrace them also. The carbon tax thing to me is just another smoke screen to raise taxes so our so called leaders can throw more cash to certain people for votes.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

AF5, Here is the research on smoking and tobacco taxes.

[URL="http://fjc.people.uic.edu/Presentations/Papers/taxes_consump_rev.pdf"]http://http://fjc.people.uic.edu/Presentations/Papers/taxes_consump_rev.pdf[/URL]

Here is the crucial info as I know most don't like reading lengthy articles.

Question asked: How Effective are Taxes in Reducing Tobacco Consumption?

Answer: The review of the literature clearly shows that the answer to the question posed in the title of this chapter is 'very effective'. Increasing cigarette and other tobacco taxes will lead to significant reductions in the use of these products, resulting from reductions in the frequency of use by continuing users, as well as reductions in the prevalence of use.

It works, so will a carbon tax.

I never said it hasn't reduced smoking, only that it hasn't eliminated it, meanwhile governments continue to collect taxes on this product which is well proven to kill people. And no one ever claimed that tabacco taxes were revenue neutral, unlike the claims about carbon taxes. A revenue neutral tax will not cause me to change my ways, a pain in the pocket book certainly will.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Mustardman, I honestly haven't studied Sweden's example, and I will. But if I had to guess, during this period, they likely deindustrialized, and increased their "information economy" Which is a polite way of saying that they moved all the dirty industries off shore, while shuffling paper at home, which certainly is the way of the future, but is not saving the planet, nor is it adding real economic growth. But I will do some research and see, I hope I am wrong, and they have found a way to do it while also increasing productive capacity of their country.

[blackpowder]

Really? More Sweden and Norway comparisons?

[Hamloc]

A couple of thoughts on Sweden. 83% of electricity comes from hydro and nuclear which is given credit to a great extent for their low C02 emissions.

Taxes 25% VAT. Personal 31% income tax up to 62 thousand US dollars, above that 51%. The one that caught my eye was corporate tax 22%. Government debt is a little over 40% of GDP.

I would be interested in knowing if they are having the same problems with drugs like fentanyl as we are in Canada. Countries like Norway and Sweden seem to have a more cohesive culture, I think this contributes a great deal to their success.