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    How much land will PV need to supply our electricity?

    In a previous thread Oneoff tried to prove mathematically that solar PV is not viable because of the amount of land required. According to the experts at the US Department of Energy National Renewable Energy Lab Oneoff is wrong.


    http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35097.pdf

    If photovoltaics were a primary energy source, what would
    the world look like? Would PV collectors cover every square
    inch of available land? Contrary to popular opinion,
    a world
    relying on PV would offer a landscape almost indistinguishable
    from the landscape we know today
    .
    The impact of PV on the landscape would be low for three
    reasons. First, PV systems have siting advantages over other
    technologies; for example, PV can be put on roofs. Second,
    even ground-mounted PV collectors are efficient from the
    perspective of land use. Third, adequate sunlight is ubiqui-
    tous and present in predictable amounts almost everywhere.
    As we move away from fossil-fuel energy, PV use will be
    crucial because of its land-use advantages.
    PV’s Low-Impact Siting for Flat-Plate Systems
    In the United States, cities and residences cover about 140
    million acres of land. We could supply every kilowatt-hour
    of our nation’s current electricity requirements simply by
    applying PV to
    7% of this area—on roofs, on parking lots,
    along highway
    walls, on the sides of buildings, and in other
    dual-use scenarios. We wouldn’t have to appropriate a single
    acr
    e of new land to make PV our primary energy source!

    #2
    Not sure we're you are from chunky but in Oct of 2016 solarlights on our patio wouldn't even run a LED bulb. No sun for about 30 days so if that happens can I sue if my power is off and your costing me money?

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      #3
      Robert... Seriously .... you are judging solar electricity based on cheap patio lights with very small batteries that are designed to be thrown away in a year or two?

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        #4
        Chucky keep searching papers and documents that help you prove your theory. But when the sun doesn't shine like October your useless system will crash. Yes our patio solar lights went dark in October even the sled shacks batteries died and drained out from a outside yard light. Kind of funny how slowly they just couldn't charge with no sun. Back up wind oh it never blew much for the same period.

        Hydro yep the rain raised the water levels and water was moving turbines and generating power. Coal was coming out of the ground and generating power co2s were being captured back in the ground.

        Life is good.

        Oh yea yesterday was the shortest sunlight day of the year throw in a winter storm and we're back freezing in a third world country.

        Liberal plan NDP plan on environment is bad and will crush Canada back to the Stone Age.

        Lest see you have what the third largest oil and gas supply in the world and your going to sacrifice that with green unproven tec.

        Yes we have a winner here is your sign chucks boy.

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          #5
          . So I should buy expensive lights have no sun and have same outcome what a great idea it just makes sense! Lol

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            #6
            Solar works well for calculators thats about it.

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              #7
              Thanks for comedic answers guys, have a great christmas!

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                #8
                So SF3 are you actually back working for a living? Or still on holidays?

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                  #9
                  The problem I have with it is you want me to pay for your experiment .I have a problem with that.spend your own money I could care less hope it works .

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                    Robert... Seriously .... you are judging solar electricity based on cheap patio lights with very small batteries that are designed to be thrown away in a year or two?
                    We have a solar fencer, The horses were without an energizer with power since October 11.


                    Now, every morning the panel is covered with frost, and snow from flurries that fall overnight.


                    End result, I bought my wifey the adapter for plugging it into mains power.


                    If there was enough sun power in the northern hemisphere in winter to heat homes with solar then we wouldn't be in winter and have snow to start with.


                    Energy is energy....

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