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[sumdumguy]

When some one can discredit Tim Ball for real - post it here.
Common sense ain't so common Amy more
Leftist leaning environmentalists remind me of Scientology cult

I agree Furrow. It's fine for the wingnuts to stick to the cult, but the problem with that is that they want the rest of us to pay for it, maybe Albertafarmer will. Go for it!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I agree Furrow. It's fine for the wingnuts to stick to the cult, but the problem with that is that they want the rest of us to pay for it, maybe Albertafarmer will. Go for it!

Sorry, I won't be purposefully paying for any of the greenies plans either. Also a big fan of Tim Ball's work in discrediting the whole movement.

[dmlfarmer]

Proof that CO2 follows behind natural global warming trends .

Interesting graph furrowtickler. And it validates your claim up until the last century or so. But take a close look at the blue line (CO2) right on the very right hand side of your graph.

Or perhaps this is a better presentation of the same CO2 data. which NASA has published. Interesting that in the last 400,000 years, through all the warming/cooling/glaciation that CO2 levels have never exceeded 300ppm yet over the last 70 years it has jumped from just over 300ppm in 1950 to over 404ppm today. Yet climate change deniers say Antarctica is cooling. Care to explain furrowtickler? How does this support your claims?

Second, why has CO2 levels gone up by more than 100PPM in the last 70 years if climate change is a hoax? Where is this CO2 coming from if not man and if there is no global warming? And if CO2 is a green house gas, how can the earth not warm significantly given this huge increase recently?

[blackpowder]

Refer to Patrick Moores lecture to the GWPF.

[dmlfarmer]

Refer to Patrick Moores lecture to the GWPF.

In Moore's lecture he states: "There is a strong correlation between temperature and the level of atmospheric CO2 during these successive glaciations, indicating a possible cause-effect relationship between the two. CO2 lags temperature by an average of 800 years during the most recent 400,000-year period, indicating that temperature is the cause, as the cause never comes after the effect".

So again, look at the NASA graph, and given Moore's assertion in his lecture, tell me Blackpowder, what changed in the last century that has blown a 400,000 plus year correlation of temperature and CO2?

Moore also claims man is the only species who can bring back CO2 levels from the low of 180PPM after the last ice age. But if you again look at the charts, CO2 has bounced back naturally after each ice age. Fossil fuel has only had an major impact in the last few centuries.

No argument that we need CO2 in atmosphere. However you can not just look at one factor like CO2. You have to consider all the feedback loops and associated impacts. If tempertures rise and all glaciers melt, where will major cites get water once the glaciers are gone? If sea levels rise flooding coastal farmland and cities, where will these people go, who will pay for the losses? What will be the impact on farms if we have more severe storms, more disease and insects due to a change in climate, expansion of deserts (most deserts in the world are expanding)

[blackpowder]

Temperature rose ahead of c02.
Temperaturr rose before man.
Maybe we should look at preperation instead of fruitless avoidance.