Welcome to the chunky show!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Indeed it is an odd day. To limited extent I have to agree with Chuck2. I think with self driving long haul trucks, self driving taxis, stores like Amazon's new store in Seattle with no tellers, robotic manufacturing plants there will be hundreds of thousands of jobs that will disappear. The next big debate will be a guaranteed minimum income from government. Tax rates on corporations will have to go up a great deal, maybe 50%. Sales tax of probably 20%. I assume the permanently unemployed could reach 15-20%. Not trying to be negative just realistic. At some point farmers will become contract operators producing under contract for corporations. Not a big fan of what some aspects of technology will do to society. Maybe I am dreaming just my thoughts for the day.

Have to agree, while we attempt to hold on to the past, and governments try to force us in a direction that favours their cronies, these new technologies will come along and completely sideswipe all of us and take us in a direction we haven't even perceived of yet.

In the very plausible, and likely conservative scenario you suggest, I think the next challenge is to stop measuring economic success by employment and growth, and instead measure it by productivity. If a handful of highly talented and educated people could produce what took millions to do manually a few short decades ago, why can't we actually enjoy it instead of lamenting that we don't get to work? This will be the big paradigm shift. Look at the current economic recession, supposedly caused by too much oil, gas, coal, iron ore, copper, corn, soybeans, house, etc etc. and not enough jobs, Does that sound like a problem to be solved, or a solution we just aren't programmed to accept?

As much as I am against governments picking winners and losers and misguidedly trying to direct our futures, I am all for the organic, from the ground up technological advances which will make our current unsustainable lifestyles better. But they will happen inspite of us fighting progress, and inspite of governments misdirecting resources against them for all the wrong reasons.

[SASKFARMER3]

What worries me is if we're all broke as countries and no one works in the new scenario! Then do we actually need people! Or do the wealthy run the show and the poor disappear forever!

That cull thing again comes up!

[jensend]

Klause that same number of rig crew is drilling holes faster and the technology has progressed so that it is more accurate and productive. That translates to fewer rigs and hands needed than even five years ago.

[seldomseen]

TIM BALL. .?? Talk about fake news . He doesn't even have the credentials he claims to have. Don't use him as your source, you mite as well make $hi& up and post it on Facebook

I know Tim has been in some controversies but he did have enough credibility to contribute to the Country Guide for a number of years mostly on weather issues. I believe he has a PhD in Geography from the University of Manitoba and a PhD in Climatology from Queen Mary Collage, University of London.
Maybe you could read his book and then point out to me any untruths or mistakes that he has made, so I can better understand.

[furrowtickler]

When some one can discredit Tim Ball for real - post it here.
Common sense ain't so common Amy more
Leftist leaning environmentalists remind me of Scientology cult

[burnt]

TIM BALL. .?? Talk about fake news . He doesn't even have the credentials he claims to have. Don't use him as your source, you mite as well make $hi& up and post it on Facebook

You want to discredit Tim Ball, but you listen to David Suzuki? David Suzuki, the Eco-Hypocrite and fruit fly researcher who admitted on ABC that he is not a climatologist? The same David Suzuki who doesn't think Canada should welcome immigrants because "we're full", but had 5 children, a huge family by today's Liberal standards?

The David Suzuki who hooks up with Al Gore, another world-class Eco-Hypocrite who made a fortune spewing climate-change rhetoric while spending $30,000/year supporting ONE of his mansions?

So yes indeed, Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to the chunkys and mussys and grassys of this forum.

But don't EVER try to convince me that liars and fraudsters make a positive contribution to any discussion.

[sumdumguy]

When some one can discredit Tim Ball for real - post it here.
Common sense ain't so common Amy more
Leftist leaning environmentalists remind me of Scientology cult

I agree Furrow. It's fine for the wingnuts to stick to the cult, but the problem with that is that they want the rest of us to pay for it, maybe Albertafarmer will. Go for it!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I agree Furrow. It's fine for the wingnuts to stick to the cult, but the problem with that is that they want the rest of us to pay for it, maybe Albertafarmer will. Go for it!

Sorry, I won't be purposefully paying for any of the greenies plans either. Also a big fan of Tim Ball's work in discrediting the whole movement.

[dmlfarmer]

Proof that CO2 follows behind natural global warming trends .

Interesting graph furrowtickler. And it validates your claim up until the last century or so. But take a close look at the blue line (CO2) right on the very right hand side of your graph.

Or perhaps this is a better presentation of the same CO2 data. which NASA has published. Interesting that in the last 400,000 years, through all the warming/cooling/glaciation that CO2 levels have never exceeded 300ppm yet over the last 70 years it has jumped from just over 300ppm in 1950 to over 404ppm today. Yet climate change deniers say Antarctica is cooling. Care to explain furrowtickler? How does this support your claims?

Second, why has CO2 levels gone up by more than 100PPM in the last 70 years if climate change is a hoax? Where is this CO2 coming from if not man and if there is no global warming? And if CO2 is a green house gas, how can the earth not warm significantly given this huge increase recently?

[blackpowder]

Refer to Patrick Moores lecture to the GWPF.

[dmlfarmer]

Refer to Patrick Moores lecture to the GWPF.

In Moore's lecture he states: "There is a strong correlation between temperature and the level of atmospheric CO2 during these successive glaciations, indicating a possible cause-effect relationship between the two. CO2 lags temperature by an average of 800 years during the most recent 400,000-year period, indicating that temperature is the cause, as the cause never comes after the effect".

So again, look at the NASA graph, and given Moore's assertion in his lecture, tell me Blackpowder, what changed in the last century that has blown a 400,000 plus year correlation of temperature and CO2?

Moore also claims man is the only species who can bring back CO2 levels from the low of 180PPM after the last ice age. But if you again look at the charts, CO2 has bounced back naturally after each ice age. Fossil fuel has only had an major impact in the last few centuries.

No argument that we need CO2 in atmosphere. However you can not just look at one factor like CO2. You have to consider all the feedback loops and associated impacts. If tempertures rise and all glaciers melt, where will major cites get water once the glaciers are gone? If sea levels rise flooding coastal farmland and cities, where will these people go, who will pay for the losses? What will be the impact on farms if we have more severe storms, more disease and insects due to a change in climate, expansion of deserts (most deserts in the world are expanding)

[blackpowder]

Temperature rose ahead of c02.
Temperaturr rose before man.
Maybe we should look at preperation instead of fruitless avoidance.