An interesting article putting climate change hoccus pocus in perspective

[tweety]

And here is another good one....we are to trust science when they say desiccation on grain seeds used for food is of no issue.......;-)

It is of no issue. Now please read some real science for a change and don't rely on naturalNews.com for all your information.

[Hamloc]

Perfecho I do share your concern of pre-harvest application of round up leaving residues, having said that just got my germination test back on my Penhold wheat and it tested 95% germ. This crop was pre harvested. I think the problem arises when it is applied to early.

As for oil coming from plants, not sure of exact depths but I believe some wells are over 3000 metres deep, I can't see that coming from decomposing plant life. Those who have worked on the rigs could better answer the depth issue.

[perfecho]

Hamloc, IMHO, science is far beyond me.. there are amazing strides made with amazing people, however some things you should trust your gut....that has kept mankind alive through many years of existence.
Interesting though, on how timing can make such a difference at that stage.
Have a great Christmas!

[sumdumguy]

Maybe if you spray really early but I would be careful. As for Round Up pre-harvest, I am wondering if germination tests tell the whole story. I have tried sprouting and growing out different seeds under grow lights. Some germinate but lack the vigour to continue and shrivel up and die. Side by side non-sprayed grow normally. Have you tried to grow potatoes from the grocery store? The sprout, start to grow roots, then the roots become malformed and that's the end of the story. Take it for what its worth. Do you have a grow light?

[dmlfarmer]

I too was a climate change sceptic and a follower of Tim Ball. I could not see how even if all the glaciers and polar ice caps melted how sea levels could rise like was being predicted. But I was ignoring science. I did not consider the thermal expansion of the oceans.

But then agriculture came under attack for GMOs and use of herbicides. I believe in the science of modern agriculture. But if I believe science for this why was I rejecting science of climate change.

So instead of just listening to the denier side I began to look critically at both sides and there is a whole lot more proof of climate change occurring than of not.

Excellent website that gives lists 9 scientifically proven impacts already of climate change. And it supports it arguments with real data, not just models.
[URL="http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/"]http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/[/URL]

[Hamloc]

First I believe I had a germ and vigor done. The seed plant just called and left the message on the germ so I have not seen the vigor results. I do not have a grow light but that is an interesting suggestion. i have to admit in the past I have had herbicide damage evident on the seed embryo but not consistently and I have a tendency to spray later than most of my neighbours.

Perfecho did you get any snow? 4-5 inches here and still coming down. Merry Christmas to you Perfecho and to all on Agriville!

[blackpowder]

Not sure how life survived on Earth when c02 levels were much higher. Hydrocarbons being a smaller % of stored planetary carbon.
Maybe the ocean she's gonna rise anyway? Humans, having catastrophically changed the planet in 50 years, now want to change it back or freeze it in time?
This latest, great unifying War on Carbon, is something I simply choose not to follow with my heart.
I'm not a joiner. I dont fit neat pigeonholes. I am neither Denier or Believer.
The greatest game changer to human society since hydrocarbons is todays communication abilities. It has facilitated the sudden, wholehearted following of all manner of ideas.
If anything, I am a contrarian with an authority figure complex.
I am concerned about risks to our society from wholesale " beliefs".
The present crusade to "stop" climate in her tracks, I see as a potentially larger waste of mankinds resources than anything before.
Stopping the climate completely does not prepare us for any potentialities of possible change.
Not to mention world hunger or poverty. Handicapping our own very small economy for a lemming like rush down a one way freeway exit without a clear destination.
Because we are all coerced to "believe".
We could have done better in the past. We could be doing better in the present. And we will make mistakes in the future.
Meanwhile, an economy teetering on a precipice is being ignored for a greater future good that is untangible.

I am not intelligent or energetic enough to debate the full spectrum.
I dont believe everything I hear or read no matter the source. Regarding current issue, I simply wont follow blindly an agenda with control residing solely in LA or Toronto. I wouldnt swallow everything Exxon says any more than Greenpeace. At least Exxons motives are clear and understandable.

Agriville is a window on our world. Polarization on important issues is normal. The last great cause on here was the wheat board. Something I felt strongly about without needing a PhD. Not sure if anything can be said to change anyones mind on here about current issue.

I feel addicted to this site. An addiction because I increasingly dont want to be here but keep coming anyway.

Frankly, there is enuf in life I've had to give up on or change views on just to survive.

This climate argument, although fun, is becoming a negative drain. My personal work will be to avoid it. Although reactive sniping is easier and more enjoyable than trying to write a rebuttal thesis every time.

Spend Christmas time with your kids. And prepare to spend a lot more to make a living in the future. That evidence is already present and concrete!

[Rareearth]

Ado it started with acid rain.

My land could use a little more acid rain, it would be good for the soil, and environment.

[burnt]

I think where all you : climate change deniers : seem to miss the point is when you go back millions of yrs to point out the world has been changing all along you are right ,BUT we are talking the last 1 mabey 200 yr and that is the difference and never in history has that much carbon been released in such a short period of time. Im sure you can dig up someone with an answer , but what more credibility has he or anyone individual over a majority concensus of scintentists.
I know you all want to live the good life and dont rile the water but there is such a thing as to much of a good thing. Just look at waistlines to see the results of over indulgence.

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[Ache4Acres]

Do you think scientists that are funded by climate change rhetoric are going to come out against climate change or publish their scientific study results against climate change. The data out there is very very biased. More panic means more $$$ invested and more cushy trips to The Swiss alps to investigate melting snow. It's the worlds biggest scam.