Vomitoxin/Don....

[farmaholic]

Is no where in the grain grading guide and is not a grade determinant.

Is said it's specs are determined by end users.

Is said testing results can vary greatly...procedural issues and sloppiness.

As far as I'm concerned ridiculously low tolerances without proper price premiums for grain that does fall into the high grades.

I can see tolerances easing up in the future but in the meantime how much value was lost at the farmgate?




p.s. does this thread belong in this category or because it has nothing to do with carbon taxes it shouldn't be here?!?!?!?

[bucket]

Amazing how quick those DON testers showed up and yet never one that tested falling numbers.

[bucket]

CGC may as well went with the CWB because the industry is regulating itself.....thanks Yerry

[sumdumguy]

We need for the CGC to be resurrected. Harper dismantled a good and necessary department, along with many other services. Farmers need an arbitrator and clear grading factors. Currently, because the power is in the buyer's hands, the buyer has the ability to be as biased as greed will allow. That being said, the buyer has to suit both his suppliers and his market, and he too walks the line.

[wmoebis]

We had Office of Ass't Commissioners wasn't filled by CPC. Then they asked for review (Compas Review 2004) where it was suggested that independent office be set up, Grain Farmers Advocacy Office. Didn't get that either.

[farmaholic]

I had no trouble this year with my CWRS but durum is another story. Even if I go through the hassle of having it cleaned and removing the fusarium kernels and in the process leaving some behind and losing some good ones from the cleaned product..... the end result is there is no guarantee it will make the grade if its tested for DON and found to be "out of spec".

61.5-63.5 lbs/bu
13-14% px
1.7-3.8% fus
13-14% moisture
some weathering

Looks nothing like the commercial salvage we grew three years ago.....that we did clean up, took about 18-20% out and were able to move the cleaned product into the market at a reasonable value($7.06/bu)..... and the screenings, almost as white as the snow outside, sold to a feedmill for $3.50!

And now......

[farming101]

Farma,

Why the spread in Fusarium levels? Different graders? Are the infected kernels obvious or only seen under a 10 power glass?

[farmaholic]

101,

Two different fields. One 160 acres seeded a little later than the first 260 acre field.

That being said

Field one had a Vomi range of 1.7 to 3.0%
Second field had a Vomi range of 3.5 to 6.4%

Field one had a Fus range of .5 to 4.8%
Second field had a Fus range of 1.9 to 6.0%

All taken from "well MIXED representative samples" and each facility got their own sample and never had to work with a previously picked sample.

Note, the fus levels in the previous post were from only one company. The above fus level ranges are from several companies.

[wmoebis]

101,

Two different fields. One 160 acres seeded a little later than the first 260 acre field.

That being said

Field one had a Vomi range of 1.7 to 3.0%
Second field had a Vomi range of 3.5 to 6.4%

Field one had a Fus range of .5 to 4.8%
Second field had a Fus range of 1.9 to 6.0%

All taken from "well MIXED representative samples" and each facility got their own sample and never had to work with a previously picked sample.

Did you agree the fus picks at elevators? Checking/Picking yourself.

Vomi tests done accurately with all clean equipment and tools, ensuring no cross contamination from previous samples or equipment?

[farmaholic]

wmoebis....my pick from the first field would fall below the average.
My pick from the second field would fall slightly above average.

I picked the shit out of it(and used a magniying glass) because I wanted the worst case scenario.

The samples I picked for fus were cleaned(hand seives) and I picked 100 grams.
Can't verify what the terminals did.

Can't verify the thoroughness of the Vomi tests by grain cos or who ever they subbed the tests to.

[farming101]

If infected kernels are not conspicuous then I guess you have a problem cause fusarium levels in field 2 are way too high to catch a #3. You didn't say but I'm thinking there are few if any distinctly white kernels. If you assess that there are enough white kernels that might clean out and give you a #3 it might still be worth it. Does the grain cleaner guy charge by the hour or bushel? Throughput should be decent.

Field one might go on its own without cleaning?

Stinks that 3 prices are where they are.
Are elevators routinely doing vomitoxin tests on suspect samples?

[farmaholic]

101... I agree with your assessment on field two. But if I clean it and the magic vomi test comes back too high, I'm hooped!

Frustrating.

[farming101]

No kidding..

Back to your first post, if fusarium is the only downgrading factor then cutoff levels have got to be relaxed. Too much good wheat going by the boards

[MBgrower]

Great margins to be made at export terminal, blend it away at no cost.

[farmaholic]

.5% fus for a 1 or 2 CWAD may as well be set at zero...........same as .25% for a 1 CWRS!