Estevan considered for solar power

[oneoff]

Also wrapping it up. This answer just in 01/17/2017 4:14:58
Sorry, just to clarify I missed a zero. The estimated production would be 14,000MWh per year.

Final comment; in a respectful; but disappointed reply I left open an invitation for Sask Power to actually be helpful in allowing access to Sask Power's "Special Projects" dep't (if it exists) for oil well "associated gas" CHP (Combined Heat and Power) which Sask Power claims to support.

Now such a project could be near to 100 % of Rated capacity capability; doesn't cost millions per Mw capacity; utilizes 100% wasted flare gas; provides up to nearly 100% efficiency when waste heat is put to useful purposes; can actually be free or maybe even you get paid to take the waste; does something useful with all that is rarely ever utilized when volumes are considered insignificant or not economical usable for useful purposes and is even advertised by COOP refineries as components of "green energy"
And it is estimated that 100Kw installed capacity could produce 876,000Kwh /year of electrical energy...which is 0.876 Mwh of energy made available each year from a 10 to 20,000 or less investment using existing infrastructure.

We'll see if the ice has been broken; the pigs load and no one gets covered in s#&t.

One off out Have a good day.

[tweety]

I looked at the disconnect and it didn't resemble any Cooper fuses that had been suggested to do this job


That's because a fuse isn't a disconnect. A disconnect is a switch and a fuse protects from overcurrent. Minister of energy should know that.

[oneoff]

Always knew that. Now we both know. Thats good

But sorry you wore me out and we never even got to the interesting stuff


Gotta move on to other things and it took too long to reach what should/coulda/wouldah been agreed to in a nanosecond.

[tweety]

I honestly truly wish i could figure out what your end game is about solar. Yes it costs more. It isn't contigous power. No efficient way to flatten out the peaks and temporarily store power it does generate. Is sold as 'free' when we all know it isn't. It makes fire fighters lives more dangerous and difficult, even though the solar itself properly fused extremely rarely ever is the cause of fire.

Yet, Sarnia solar farm has chugged on quietly and successfully at 80 MW whose only limitation is the current capability of the grid it is connected to yet pumping power 288 days a year for the last six years. Enbridge says if you there is just enough light to read a book, its pushing on the grid.

So why shut that down or not build anything new? That's all i want to know. No argument or debate required. Been asking for several pages, so finish this.

[chuckChuck]

Sounds like the presentation in Brandon was good. Manitoba offers a better program. SaskPower will rebate only 20%. I think it is in the range of being a decent investment. Installed costs are around $3.60 per watt in SK. One Alberta company said around $3.00 per watt.

Using flared gas is a good idea. I think some of the oil companies have some gas generators going. I wonder if the push to reduce methane emissions will push the use of more gas generators where gas lines aren't available? Is raw gas always usable?

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 3.60 a watt x 10000 watts = 36000 dollars. This system on average should produce 1000 kwh per month over the course of a year. 12000 kwh x 11.2 cents a kilowatt = 1344 dollars per year. 36000/1344 = 26.78 years. Yup that works lol. In Alberta a farmer can get 25% of his system payed for but off the top of my head I can't remember the maximum. Obviously will have to be subsidized to get people to do it. Either subsidized rates or subsidized installation costs. Is this an important use of our taxes?

[tweety]

Hamloc have you considered Geothermal for your shop? Depending on the temperature you want the shop to be, that may be a much better answer then solar to electric heat. Its a lot harder to heat a house then just warming a shop to about 5 degrees with lines in the floor. Contact CSI at lakeland college for solid information.

That's the plan for my shop. Solar can turn the pumps when they can, grid when not. Not about saving a dollar, this stuff is kinda fun.

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc, One installer in Alberta said $3.00 per watt installed for 20Kw system last November. So for 10Kw it might be a bit more.

So just for the sake of argument lets say $30,000 investment for 10Kw. I put a 10 Kw system into the solar calculator at Estevan Sask, and the output with a system that is seasonally tilted but for the calculators purpose is fixed at 45 degrees output is 18730 Kwh per year times 11.8 Kwh cents in Saskatchewan and revenue is about $ 2200 per year.

But remember the price of power has been going up 3% per year so by year 30 the estimated price will be 25.4 cents per Kwh and you will be earning the equivalent of $4757.00 per year. The panels lose some ability to generate as much power so you will be generating less than 18730 kwh.

But by year 10 you are already earning the equivalent $3000 per year.

I think Boyd Solar estimated the 30 year cost of Solar PV is 10 cents per Kwh so all you are doing is locking in electricity prices for 30 years at about 10 cents per kwh which is cheaper that what Saskpower is charging now.

Alberta pays differently so it might not work there.

[tweety]

To get some scope of just how big installations are lately have a look at the current top ten. Wow!

[URL="http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/top-10-solar-photovoltaic-plants-in-the-world"]http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/top-10-solar-photovoltaic-plants-in-the-world[/URL]

China has one at 1280 MW by the Longyangxia dam. Makes the last 8 pages about a 10 MW shard here in SK a complete waste of energy reading.

[chuckChuck]

To get some scope of just how big installations are lately have a look at the current top ten. Wow!

[URL="http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/top-10-solar-photovoltaic-plants-in-the-world"]http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/top-10-solar-photovoltaic-plants-in-the-world[/URL]

China has one at 1280 MW by the Longyangxia dam. Makes the last 8 pages about a 10 MW shard here in SK a complete waste of energy reading.

Just heard from from a clean tech guy on the tv who said wind and solar are coming in at 2-3 cents per kWh in some parts of the world. Probably India and China where they are expanding generating capacity rapidly. Still need to solve the storage issue but that will undoubtedly occur.

[Bobjones]

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