Estevan considered for solar power

[chuckChuck]

Solar is a very small part of Saskpower's plan at this point. Wind is where they are planning 1600 mw by 2030. Coal then slips to only 25% of Saskatchewan's power need or less unless there are new coal plants planned.

Utility scale solar may be a ways off, but small scale grid tie solar is possible now. Once SaskPower crunches the numbers on the 10mw plan and runs it for a awhile we will know if it is worth investing more.

Solar panels are coming down in price and getting more efficient.

If cheaper large scale battery storage is available, then solar pv may be widespread in many areas of the world if not here in Saskatchewan.

[binthere]

jensend. how many people do you know that still require a team of horses for energy that now run tractors or autos? other than a third world country.

[tweety]

Binthere, and what will happen when the non renewable energy it uses is a lot more scarce and expensive?

I know, not your problem. Right?

[oneoff]

Why would anyone even contemplate battery backup; if already connected to the grid; and it cosst only $400 annually for the basic meter and $600 for the bidirectional setup and net metering (plus plus fees that really apply no matter what setup is chosen) hooked to same PV solar system that will not meet needs under at least some conditions. And that basically means all normal farm conditions. And then there is no need for batteries or storage at all.

[oneoff]

Tweety...get consistent...are we going to have to depend only the "additive" solar or not. If answer is yes then continue to get used to paying your electric bill no matter the color of your ass. If answer is no...then you still need to pay whatever is billed.

[oneoff]

Now here's some real solar PV data from a 10.08 Kw bank of Sanyo 210 panels and a Solectria PV1 Inverters(9.8Kw) It sid inverters so don't know if there is one or more.

So far this year at the Powerhouse One location (which I bet is the Ontarion Hydro "showhome" of PV panel technology the following power was produce by the 10.08 Kw unit.

Jan 1---61.9 Kwh Jan2----59.1 Kwh Jan 3----3.0 Kwh Jan 4----7.6 Kwh Jan5----10.3 Kwh Jan 6----42.6Kwh Jan 7---47.2 Kwh Jan 8 27.2 Kwh up to2:48 pm


Now for today the first period power was produced was at 8am -----0.1Kwh 9am---1.1Kwh 10am----4.4Kwh 12 noon----6.2 Kwh 1pm------ 4.0Kwh and up to 2:48pm another 2.2 Kwh

Total electrical production was 26.8Kwh up to 2:48 pm. I'll check website again after this is posted for latest data. It should be noted this isn't net metering because the Ontario system pays for all energy produced at 80 cents a Kwh and if you use energy then they bill at a currently much lower rate. They say Pv "investers" can make 20,000 a year over and above electrical consumption usage which is trending higher because you electrical Bill is effectively subsidized by everyone else there. What an example for energy reduction.

And what an incentive to get people on the band wagon. Almost obscene money maker for select investers with a spare hundred grand and no doubt is part of reason Ontario is so far in debt and grossly mismanaged.

How can anyone keep a straight face when touted programs like this are displayed as anything but a recipe for economic disaster.

[tweety]

You don't have to depend on it today. But what's wrong with supplementing what we do have to extend non renewables that won't be here tomorrow?

Why the outrageous opposition to sticking some silicon in the sun?

[oneoff]

Apparently the powerhouse solar website has crashed.

[URL="http://portal.powerhousesolar.ca/publicinfo.aspx?trackerid=14"]http://portal.powerhousesolar.ca/publicinfo.aspx?trackerid=14[/URL]

Could someone please try to get the data for "pOwerhouse ONE" FOR TIME PERIODS FROM 2:00 PMtill lights out which should be real soon in Ontario.


Then guess what...anyone can see exactly how many Kwh of electricity can be expected for a Jan 1 to Jan 9 time period from a 10.08 panel in Ontario ( I think but will have to double check if Powerhouse ONE is an Ontario site. It sure looked like the numerous other sites listed were Ontario related.

Can you help out burnt. I can't seem to get in. http://portal.powerhousesolar.ca/publicinfo.aspx?trackerid=14


[URL="http://portal.powerhousesolar.ca/publicinfo.aspx?trackerid=14"]http://portal.powerhousesolar.ca/publicinfo.aspx?trackerid=14[/URL]

One detail just learned was that they have a single tracker system that improves performance over fixed mounts and also a Double Trackr system that sure looks like its the automated "azimuth" positioner (the season tracker mechanism anyway) attached to the same panels at an extra 7,150 dollars. This gives a nameplate rating of 11.96 Kw instead of the single tracker at 10.08 Kw capacity.

And as always one has to look at the very fine print. Those advertised 10.08 and 11.96 figures are DC Kw. So there still the losses of the inverter converting Dc to AC for injection into the grid.
Sneeky

A little bit of advertising deception there eh!

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 due to the devaluation of the Canadian dollar over the last few years your statement that solar is getting cheaper is actually wrong. I also believe there was tariffs imposed to protect a few eastern Canadian manufacturers. Due to this in the last few years it has gone up. I believe there is some value in solar power but it will not be cheaper than what we are using now so lets quit hearing that argument.

[oneoff]

Chuck2 due to the devaluation of the Canadian dollar over the last few years your statement that solar is getting cheaper is actually wrong. I also believe there was tariffs imposed to protect a few eastern Canadian manufacturers. Due to this in the last few years it has gone up. I believe there is some value in solar power but it will not be cheaper than what we are using now so lets quit hearing that argument.

And Ontario Hydro has built this fact into all new solar Pv poer agreements signed. Now they have a Canadian content rule for the installation. They no longer offer 80 cents a Kwh and though I just read the details a few minutes ago I can only say I think its 64 or so cents that new applicants will receive. Also no "aggregators allowed. and so on."

Can you help out burnt if you see this. A couple posts above details a request for information "if you please" thanks