Estevan considered for solar power

[blackpowder]

O4phuxache, no private construction here involves anything but gas today. I wouldn't either.
Who spends a dollar on anything but land and expects 30 years for a breakeven?
Taxpayers of course seem to let the govt do any silly bugger thing it wants.

[oneoff]

ATTEMPTING TO EXPOSE FAULTY LOGIC COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT THE FOGGIEST CLUE ABOUT ELECTRICITY



For god's sake don't hire tweety as your electrician. Th Cooper fuses she carries in stock have the following feature

Capable of interrupting low overcurrents associated with faulted PV strings

The problems being they blow only when "overcurrents " are applied to them. You have to size a fuse according to what the wiring willl safely handle without overheating; or what the solar panels in this case will produce as their normal maximum output current.

Just what would cause a solar panel to trip a properly sized fuse on "overcurrent" during a fire (or anytime else due when the panel has about zero chance of outputting any extra current due to the panel behaving as it is designed to do throughout the whole fire fighting exercise (or alternatively any part of that time until it might eventually fail or short out in some way

In short...your're expecting that fuse to protect from an over current situation ...when in fact there may never be any reason for that fuse to blow just because there is a fire that may be doused to cool down the neighbors roof for example. But those firemen's concerns are valid both for the house on fire; and neighbors houses they may also wish to try to protect.

Get it????

I could make some arguments about the "faulted solar PV strings" in the Cooper fuses feature...but its as simple as what leads you to believe that there is necessarily any fault in the solar panel string. It may very well survive and try to function just as it was designed to do.. Ergo the fuse never blows on overcurrent and it was "live" all the way through the fire episode (ready for full output just needs some water or a connection to ground or the grid). Fuse never blows in any case because there was never any extra current to to cause it to give your "protection"

Oh my gawd.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Your claim about "free energy" is just as absurd as the the claim about "last gasps" in plants amounting to anything.
?

I disagree. Fossil fuels are as close to free energy as we have yet found. A nearly perfect energy source, when compared to all the other options we have yet used or discovered. The energy we get out of that <$1 litre of diesel fuel, is orders of magnitude more than the same dollar would yield with human or animal energy. If you don't think that fossil fuels are free at this price, then consider how many times you will elevate the same bushel of grain to the top of an auger then drop it nearly to ground level again. If that were using human effort, we would find a better way. But it doesn't even cross our minds because it is free to do so.

[tweety]

Oneoff, you obviously missed the part that it was about causing fires and fuses.

Fire departments have figured it out, regs about spacing and access, shutoffs are all available for installations. Approved by fire departments who are properly trained. Your point is pointless.

[tweety]

I disagree. Fossil fuels are as close to free energy as we have yet found. A nearly perfect energy source, when compared to all the other options we have yet used or discovered. The energy we get out of that <$1 litre of diesel fuel, is orders of magnitude more than the same dollar would yield with human or animal energy. If you don't think that fossil fuels are free at this price, then consider how many times you will elevate the same bushel of grain to the top of an auger then drop it nearly to ground level again. If that were using human effort, we would find a better way. But it doesn't even cross our minds because it is free to do so.

Are you listening oneoff?

[burnt]

Oneoff, you obviously missed the part that it was about causing fires and fuses.

Fire departments have figured it out, regs about spacing and access, shutoffs are all available for installations. Approved by fire departments who are properly trained. Your point is pointless.

Apparently, tweety, you are the one who hasn't figured it out, and it is your point ?? that is pointless.

But at least I've tried and obviously failed to help educate you. However, the experience reminds me of the bad old days when the pigs were stubborn and wouldn't load...

[oneoff]

Someday I hope we have the opportunity to meet Burnt.

When I was in university everyone took a bag lunch and a hundred undergraduates climbed three flights of very well worn marble steps to the complete top floor of a spartan room directly across fro the Engineering college. The engineering students would occassionally lob rolls of toilet paper from their cannon across the way one day; then another time a full size car would show up somewhere well away from (and a fair bit above )any normal road surface ... and on and on just to partly pass the time.

One other activity I well remember was the debates that frequently took place. Perhaps three persons arguing in the affirmative and another three arguing as contrarions.

The interesting point being that none of those persons necessarily got to choose which point of view they must convey to win that debate. There had to be three contraions; just as it needed three arguing exactly the opposite in a timed civil (but always lively) manner.

I have forgotten every last one of the topics...but have always remembered how educational (at times) and certainly how mind opening it is to have to temporarily change your neurons to thinking in reverse in order to "win" the debate.

I have always hesitated to mention this because some people today would have no idea what the principle was in this form of debate.

This could have an application in this forum. I'd be up to it....anyone take that challenge. Those who argue "black is white" all the time should have an obvious advantage.

[oneoff]

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[oneoff]

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UPDATE

Its Saturday and still no Sask Power confirmation that the 10 MW rated solar PV project will indeed produce an expected 1400Mwh/ year of electricity

And powerhouse solar.ca "Live Tracker" still very much 100% not working

If those are new acceptable response times associated with solar; then maybe don't buy in or actually buy something that is not yet ready

[furrowtickler]

Bring back Nikola Tesla .......

[oneoff]

Sorry to say; but his secrets may be lost...perhaps for a very long time.

[oneoff]

Could also be that Tesla's projects would has had some insurmountable hazards and risks that would not have met CSA codes and approvals.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Someday I hope we have the opportunity to meet Burnt.

When I was in university everyone took a bag lunch and a hundred undergraduates climbed three flights of very well worn marble steps to the complete top floor of a spartan room directly across fro the Engineering college. The engineering students would occassionally lob rolls of toilet paper from their cannon across the way one day; then another time a full size car would show up somewhere well away from (and a fair bit above )any normal road surface ... and on and on just to partly pass the time.

One other activity I well remember was the debates that frequently took place. Perhaps three persons arguing in the affirmative and another three arguing as contrarions.

The interesting point being that none of those persons necessarily got to choose which point of view they must convey to win that debate. There had to be three contraions; just as it needed three arguing exactly the opposite in a timed civil (but always lively) manner.

I have forgotten every last one of the topics...but have always remembered how educational (at times) and certainly how mind opening it is to have to temporarily change your neurons to thinking in reverse in order to "win" the debate.

I have always hesitated to mention this because some people today would have no idea what the principle was in this form of debate.

This could have an application in this forum. I'd be up to it....anyone take that challenge. Those who argue "black is white" all the time should have an obvious advantage.

I'm up for that. Always productive to try to see things from the opposite perspective.

[oneoff]

Can't debate with panels of three persons and a moderator (and no audience to judge) with only two person's interested...so it was a bad proposal

[oneoff]

No volunteer as a moderator....