Calling Armchair Solar Experts

[bgmb]

Capital cost to construct per KWH?

% of hours out of the year Panels will produce KWHs


Cut the bullshit this should be simple math.

Gas can currently generate at 5-7 cents per KWH

[oneoff]

By "gas" do you mean "natural gas"?

[Hamloc]

Did some armchair googling, price on solar panels range from .84 cents to 1.09$ a watt. Also found information that solar panels make up 35% of the cost of a commercial ground mount installation. So for simple math using a 10 MW installation at .85 cents a watt I came up with a total cost of 24 million. Using the best information I can find and it seems to agree with Chuck2 previous info. This array should produce 1400000 kwh per month on average in southern Saskatchewan. Now if we amortize 24 million over 25 years at 4% interest our total cost to finance is 37872000 dollars or 126240 a month. The 1.4 million kwh at 11 cents a kwh earns 154000 dollars a month for a profit of 27760 per month, or 333120 dollars per year, a return of 1.39% on investment. Now there is no maintenance or repair in this scenario and one would assume that the builder would build in inflation into the price payed for electricity. At the 5-7 cents a kwh obviously this project wouldn't fly. I have looked at what Ontario pays for solar power in 2016 for new projects if memory serves me for a project of this size they pay 20 cents a kilowatt. If I could get a 25 year contract at 20 cents a kwh the yearly profit would rise to 1845120 dollars or a 7.7% roi, now it is a reasonable moneymaker.

[oneoff]

SaskPower was selected to build and operate a new 350 megawatt combined cycle natural gas power generation facility in Swift Current with an October 2019 in-service date.

Crown Investments Corporation (CIC) led an open, transparent and fair evaluation process to determine best value for ratepayers. This process was monitored by an external fairness monitor.

“As Minister, I would like to thank CIC for leading the evaluation process, as well as the Independent Power Producers for submitting very competitive proposals,” Crown Investments Minister Don McMorris said. “This project will benefit Saskatchewan people with reliable power for years to come.”

The evaluation process examined Independent Power Producer (IPP) proposals, and compared the highest ranked IPP against the SaskPower proposal. A fairness monitor was engaged to oversee the process and ensure evaluation criteria were followed.

“SaskPower is pleased to have been selected to build and operate a new natural gas-fired power station in Swift Current,” SaskPower President Mike Marsh said. “This new plant will provide reliable, baseload power to the Saskatchewan grid and support the continued integration of additional renewables.”

A detailed value for money report will be prepared and publicly released within the next 120 days.


Maybe this is the way it works for big projects like the 10 Mw solar PV.. The recent Swift Current generating station award is handled by the Crown Investment Corp who choose from competitive bids from Independent Power Producers with Sask Power free to enter the contest. In Swift Current case above...Sask Power won and in 120 days from awarding; a detailed money report is made available to the public.. That will answer all your questions once the "Estevan" solar Pv is awarded.

[oneoff]

Under flare gas program (100Kw to 1 MW) payment is about 51.xx dollars /Mwh or 5.1 cents a Kwh as original contributor said in opening question.

[ajl]

Wholesale power in Alberta before the closure of our coal fired generating stations is now around 0.02 per Kwh. There is no solar project anywhere on the planet that can generate for that. Go coal go.

[bgmb]

By "gas" do you mean "natural gas"?

Yes I do

[bgmb]

Wholesale power in Alberta before the closure of our coal fired generating stations is now around 0.02 per Kwh. There is no solar project anywhere on the planet that can generate for that. Go coal go.

Lol yeah natural gas is actually the expensive green energy. Solar is ****ing fairy dust case closed. Maybe power your cabin 200 miles from the electrical grid with it.

[oneoff]

I see the local Coop has a shiny poster that insinuates that the propane pump has "green" fuel.

Nice to see that some fossil fuels are actually advertised as being "green" ...just as the poster on the wall clearly says.

Natural gas is equally as "green" so why not call it for what it really is. They make "green" dye and it should be extremely easy to have "green" marked diesel at least and a little change to "clear" gas regulations would provide "green" gasoline as well.

Probably could enforce a copyright on Coop "green" propane advertising so why not extend it to their other fossil fuel products.

[chuckChuck]

http://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf
USA Average Levilized cots of energy (LCOE) for plants coming on stream in 2022 in USA in 2015 $/Mwh. No subsidies included.

Coal with CCS - $139.5
Natural Gas Conventional Combined cycle - $58.1
Natural Gas Advanced Combined cycle -$57.2
Natural Gas CC with CCS -$84.8
Natural Gas Conventional Combustion Turbine - $110.8
Natural Gas Advanced Combustion Turbine - $94.7

Advanced Nuclear - $102.8
Geothermal -$45
Biomass -$96.1

Wind - $64.5
Wind Offshore - $158.1
Solar PV - $84.7
Solar Thermal -$235.9
Hydroelectric -$67.8
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