Not true JDGreen, it was a notable feature of the last cattle price spike through late 2014-mid 2015. Retail beef prices pushed higher week after week than it had ever been and it did not stall demand. The experts and commentators were often writing about that - they had expected these high prices to choke demand - but it didn't happen.
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Originally posted by bigzee View PostIf you can get $125 ac cash rent, and a lot of the BTO operations are paying that, I would agree it's the best time to be in ag. You don't have to buy a 6-49 ticket just put the farm up for rent, and you've won the lotto.
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Originally posted by grassfarmer View PostNot true JDGreen, it was a notable feature of the last cattle price spike through late 2014-mid 2015. Retail beef prices pushed higher week after week than it had ever been and it did not stall demand. The experts and commentators were often writing about that - they had expected these high prices to choke demand - but it didn't happen.
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Calf prices have bounced upward in the past couple months, but prices during the fall calf run were a huge disappointment. Any thoughts of a meaningful increase in the Canadian cattle herd have evaporated. 

If you go back to 2013, calf prices were dismal throughout the year with prices for 500 to 600 pound steers in the range of $160 to $170 per hundredweight during the fall run.

Calf prices took off in 2014 with a steady upward trajectory through the year. They were $270 to $290 per cwt. for most of the fall run, and it was happy days and good profits for producers. Analysts believed the good times would continue to roll. 

It sure looked like that through the first eight months of 2015 with prices often in the $320 range. However, prices slipped dramatically as the fall run approached. Most calves sold that fall for prices similar to the previous year at $270 to $290. It was still a great price, but not the level expected early in the year. 

The decline that started in the second half of 2015 continued until late 2016. Last fall, most 500 to 600 lb. calves sold in the $170 to $190 per cwt. range, only marginally better than the dismal year of 2013.

Calves were worth $1,500 to $1,600 each in 2014 and 2015, but that dropped to about $1,000 last year. Good times were short lived. Efficient producers are still making money, but it isn’t an easy way to make a living.

At $1,000 for steers and with heifers worth a bit less, a producer would need to sell more than 250 calves in the fall to achieve a gross return of $250,000. That suggests a herd of around 300 cows, which is far higher than the average size.

By comparison, with average yields of wheat and canola at the prices prevailing after harvest, a grain producer could hit a gross return of $250,000 with only about 800 acres. 

What’s more, the net return on the grain farm would probably be higher. 

A cow herd of 300 is a significant operation. A grain farm with 800 acres is considered tiny. 

A gross of $250,000 a year is the starting size for making a family living from the farm. A gross return of $500,000 is still a small grain farm — 1,600 acres — but a cow herd of 600 is far bigger than most.

Grain prices and returns won’t stay strong indefinitely, but growing crops looks far more enticing than raising calves. 

The Manitoba government has a stated objective of increasing the provincial beef herd. Good luck with that. 

There was no appreciable in-crease in the herd when calf prices were lucrative in 2014 and 2015. Yes, breeding stock prices were sky high, but that’s to be expected when an industry is profitable. 

Bred cows and replacement heifers are much cheaper now. It might be a good time to invest if you have faith that calf prices will improve. Instead, the precipitous drop in 2015 and much of 2016 has probably shaken confidence. 

Labour is another issue. 

A 1,600-acre grain farm can get by with labour from a couple of family members. A cow herd of 600 is likely to require more people, who are also willing to do more manual work. And it’s a lot easier for grain farmers to have an off-farm winter job or to take a winter vacation. 

As a grain producer, I admire my cattle farming neighbours, but I wouldn’t change places with them.
Kevin Hursh is an agricultural journalist, consultant and farmer. He can be reached by e-mail at kevin@hursh.ca.
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i think the speaker is right.
you look at the third world, with the internet , education ,communication.
mostly democratic and accessible to the poor.
they have jumped ahead 1,000 years in a generation .
they can make enough now to improve their life.
more money than just staying alive.
it is good for us, selling peas, lentils, wheat and feed grains , everything.
i do not think the first world is what he is talking about.
and the third world is a four or six times bigger market.
the only problem is how much the middle man will leave us.
we keep giving control away, with seed ownership ,marketing, shipping.
as for our rich consumer culture here, i am not really sure what it is .
even in my generation, i remember you did not throw out an appliance until it quit.
now we chuck perfectly good stuff out.
no wonder consumer debt is thru the roof
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Stuff that lasted 25 years is now on the 25 month throw away program - or as JD did fix it for the same price - they have the consumer cornered.
Batteries that used to last 8-10 years
Now 8-10 months .
Tires had 80,000 km warranties , wife's new Ford Escape 35,000 km , wore out no warranty.
I could go on and on . It's a sneaky kind of inflation where the market is not only charging more for products but able to do so 2-10 times faster than before. Thus draining any disposable income as fast as it can . This is how the wealthiest handful of people are getting richer by the minute.
Products that last don't make money.
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