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[chuckChuck]

NR Green Power has 4 cogeneration 5Mw waste heat recovery electrical stations on the Alliance Pipeline compressor stations at Alameda, Estlin, Kerrobert, and Loreburn SK. They are connected into the grid and help pay for the costs of compressing natural gas. They are probably in other provinces and states as well.

There are undoubtedly lots of other opportunities for cogeneration that were not done for various reasons.

Are there not some bio-gas plants attached to large dairy or hog barns in Alberta? These are also considered green energy and the left over manure is used for fertilizer.

We still need fossil or hydro electric baseload. But why not encourage all the other options to expand capacity that make sense, including small scale grid tied solar pv, utility scale wind and solar, co-generation, bio-gas, using flare gas?

How did we get into this fossil energy vs renewables debate? It is not one or the other. We can have both during the transition away from fossil energy. And we can also encourage conservation with better new building codes and higher levels of efficiency with everything we do.

[oneoff]

Oh so we can now have both fossil fuel and green energy. Its not one or other. Well so far it never ever really was about renewable energy; especially solar. First you have to break through the 1% level, and start to do it at less than 80.2cents per Kwh. Then there remains the 15% of the time that it can even make a contribution to production; and lastly old reliables still needed for all rest of the time.

I'd say the approval rate of Canadian pipelines and up till recently US Pipelines does not confirm this. Similarly the winding down of dirty coal for electrical generation in Canada has been extremely effective.

And whats the current status of the nasty tar sand resource in Alberta. ? Is somebodies driveway or favorite highway in need of a recap?

It will be interesting how prez Trump handles the resurgence in US coal mining. There was a fair bit of talk today about the new White House "clean coal" program and putting all those miners back to work..

That what the "debate" was and still is about. Seeing as how promoters really wouldn't agree to any of above.

[chuckChuck]

Oh so we can now have both fossil fuel and green energy. Its not one or other. Well so far it never ever really was about renewable energy; especially solar. First you have to break through the 1% level, and start to do it at less than 80.2cents per Kwh. Then there remains the 15% of the time that it can even make a contribution to production; and lastly old reliables still needed for all rest of the time.

I'd say the approval rate of Canadian pipelines and up till recently US Pipelines does not confirm this. Similarly the winding down of dirty coal for electrical generation in Canada has been extremely effective.

And whats the current status of the nasty tar sand resource in Alberta. ? Is somebodies driveway or favorite highway in need of a recap?

It will be interesting how prez Trump handles the resurgence in US coal mining. There was a fair bit of talk today about the new White House "clean coal" program and putting all those miners back to work..

That what the "debate" was and still is about. Seeing as how promoters really wouldn't agree to any of above.

You forget that in many parts of the world solar PV is a much bigger contributor. Did we not see a chart that showed 40Gw of solar production in germany during December days. Yes we need other sources to back up, but solar is part of the solution.

Why do only quote 80 cents a Kwh for solar when you know that in Saskatchewan farmers will only receive 11.8 cents for solar pv? What about about all the subsidies and hidden costs of coal and other fossil sources as identified by the IMF. Are you not in favour of a level playing field?

Coal and the tar sands will eventually price themselves out of business if renewable technology and storage improves. Canadian made solar panels have increased efficiency 8% in the last year alone.

Wind is another option which has a lower LCOE than new coal. So the economics of new capacity will include renewables which is exactly what is happening in Saskatchewan with the plan for 1600Mw of wind by 2030.