California let's worry about every other thing except infrastructure!

[Guest]

it's the liberal way , like someone said , have a gay pride parade instead

[burnt]

The spill way failed at less than 50% capacity .
It was designed to handle 200,000 cfs
It was at less than 100,000 when the failure occurred. That's a structural problem.
They tried to keep the water outflow around 50,000 so not cause further damage to the spillway , forcing water to go over the emergency spill way for the first time .
So yes it was failure of maintenance that led to a potentially bad situation .
They should be able to drain enough out before the next rain event . But they will not have much time to repair any damage .

Furrow, you should know by now that refuting sentiment and speculation with science and fact is unwelcome and politically incorrect. ahahahaha!

It appears that the politicos chose to let the infrastructure deteriorate rather than increase water levies or use tax dollars to repair the aging spillway, as advised 13 years ago by various groups.

But somehow there was billiooons of dollars to spend on subsidized solar farms and wind turbines which are forcing the conventional electricity suppliers to cut back and/or sell their production at below cost.

Gee, sounds just like here at home - no money for infrastructure but lots for pet projects. And to get money for infrastructure - well you'd better show a linkage to a politically correct cause - like wind turbines.

It is events like this which show that a progressive North America is degenerating into third world status.

[dmlfarmer]

For years many of you have argued that the flooding downstream in eastern Sask and especially Manitoba is not a result of farmer ditching but of excessive rainfall. Now all of a sudden, when excessive rainfall happens in Northern Cal and threatens a dam it is not the rain but the structure.

So will everyone of you do an engineering and water flow estimates for downstream for every ditch you dig. If not, you have not grounds to blame this all on structure failures, repairs, and even liberals.

[Retired]

dlmfarmer So nice to see someone at least look at the root causes other than blame it all on your chosen hate political party, whom we will not mention.

[furrowtickler]

Yes there was a long period of heavy rains since mid December. It has happened before . In fact 1862 ish was far worse - ya , before we started punting out the evil carbon emissions stuff .
The last time was in the '70s but the spillway was structuraly sound and able to handle the 200,000 cfs release to keep the water from going over the emergency spillway . Not the case this time as the hole opened up in the main spill way , due to poor maintenance, and operations were reluctant to cause more damage and restricted flow until the lake overflowed.
So yes it was higher than normal rains but not unpresidented and it's not over yet.
If the spillway was able to open to 200,000 cfs the lake would have not overflowed to start with.
So in short , they fuked up and spent money else where other than upkeeping this dam and many others while wasting the money on other lame brain ideas . Now hundreds of thousands of people and homes are at risk and potential flood damage to some of the US most valuable farmland is higher than it should be .
So the dams are there to prevent heavy rains from causing flood damage but only if they are maintained regularly . But that takes money .
The failing infrastructure in the US is squarely on the last 2 presidents and California governors who did zero.
At least Trump is willing to address the issue and do something about it.
We will have the same issues here in Canada if not addressed very soon instead of throwing money around like drunken sailors at every level of government provincially and federal.
This is where Canada givining millions away to some billionaires charity is ridiculous.

[SASKFARMER3]

Their is a difference in canada its blame the farmer! Always caused by us never a excess rain event.

Also in USA this dam was approved to handle anything and it cracked wasn't fixed because the govonor as worried about bill shit programs and forgot about infrastructure.

So yea it probably will fail.

Also liberals don't like to here their wrong.

One other note just spent three hours with a syrian male doing a time share. Yea women equality my ass you fools.
He kept telling my wife he knows better than her and how she feels.

Boy that went over big time.

I just say back and watched him crash and burn!

Kind of really fun afternoon.

Got my 200 and discounts and I'm happy!

[grassfarmer]

...From the same armchair experts that shared their worldly wisdom on the Quebec mosque attack being muslim on muslim violence. Yep boys you really know it all.

[mbdog]

a spillway is a spill way...its supposed to take over from 1-?00 year weather events...and gives us the time to debate other things. A spillway of this importance should not fail to this degree and magnitude, but should remind us of whats really real...the progress that's been made and our limits...the time and opportunity that has been afforded to us by progress made.. to think of what's right or wrong...what we can change and how quick it can possibly vapourize.
Our strength that's built into today's systems allows us to think forward and I certainly do not want to stop thinking forward.
But this is a time and the kind of event for liberals to shutup.

[SASKFARMER]

Hey grass have you ever traveled to other countries in the world. I remember being overseas in a area most wouldn't go now and how women even back then were second class.

So it was like a truck hitting me again listening to this guy who just moved to USA 12 years ago and how he felt about women.

So funny maybe things really haven't changed and this is what Canada wants.

[hobbyfrmr]

[QUOTE=furrowtickler;338057]Yes there was a long period of heavy rains since mid December. It has happened before . In fact 1862 ish was far worse - ya , before we started punting out the evil carbon emissions stuff .
The last time was in the '70s but the spillway was structuraly sound and able to handle the 200,000 cfs release to keep the water from going over the emergency spillway . Not the case this time as the hole opened up in the main spill way , due to poor maintenance, and operations were reluctant to cause more damage and restricted flow until the lake overflowed.
So yes it was higher than normal rains but not unpresidented and it's not over yet.
If the spillway was able to open to 200,000 cfs the lake would have not overflowed to start with.
So in short , they fuked up and spent money else where other than upkeeping this dam and many others while wasting the money on other lame brain ideas . Now hundreds of thousands of people and homes are at risk."

I had better say this now.....

[farmaholic]

Besides the potential catastrophe for peoples homes which is the utmost importance.... if the type of farming in the area that dam serves as a source of irrigation water is what I think it is there could be a spike in produce prices at the grocery store.

Can you imagine the force that could be unleashed. No less damaging than tornados or fires or what ever "natural disaster" that could strike. But this could be the beginning of a man made one.

[farmaholic]

SF3's comment...."where's Hollywood now?".......

Don't worry Hollywood will capitalize on this if the dam fails......they have probably started writing the script already. They're thinking of a movie title as we speak.... the antagonist will be "Climate change" and the protagonist will be the "environment and all the tree huggers".