Fert Banding question

[Hamloc]

Usually single shoot with Flexi 5000 with atom jet side band granular tips. Put all fert in side band as granular. After the wet fall going to need some cultivation before seeding. About as cheap to buy an air seeder as an cultivator. Was thinking about banding the blend while cultivating the land. One advantage imo is getting the fert in a little deeper than when single pass. Also could fill 2 tanks on cart with seed instead of one. More acres per fill. Also get the fert band farther from seed less negative affect on germ. Disadvantage will take more time and more difficult to fix ruts. Is this a crazy idea?

[farmaholic]

The Carbon Police will arrest you!

Do you still have a harrow packer or land roller to re pack the land?

[jcv]

You will want some phosphate in the seed row. That will use a tank on air drill. Nitrogen would be OK, no different than NH3 guys?

[Guest]

You will want some phosphate in the seed row. That will use a tank on air drill. Nitrogen would be OK, no different than NH3 guys?

We never put anything with seed . Tried many test strips with starter fert and have never saw any diff ? Maybe our atom jet side band tip has phos close enough ?.. were going to put some juice down on rut levelling tillage if ruts arent to bad

[JDGreen]

We never put anything with seed . Tried many test strips with starter fert and have never saw any diff ? Maybe our atom jet side band tip has phos close enough ?.. were going to put some juice down on rut levelling tillage if ruts arent to bad

No fertilizer ever in seed row here. Phos is close enough. Have seen zero difference. If your blasting fert with your canola seed you truly need to keep drinking the kook aid. Band up to 425 Ibs with the seed twin with no burn and no adverse effects on germ.

[fjlip]

We are wet 90% of the time. 90% we fall band with spikes, all N and S. Drying out the land .
Heavy harrow and seed in spring, only Phos and a bit of ESN with seed, on a 3" opener.
Nice and level, trash spread, less compaction after winter. Unfortunately will spring band this year.

[stonepicker]

Haven't put fert. through the drill in 12 years. All broadcast. I'm happy with it.

[hobbyfrmr]

If your not pulling a $275,000 no till seeder with a $325,000 tractor on tracks you're a girl.

[farmaholic]

.........a cheap girl!

[hobbyfrmr]

.........a cheap girl!

That is the low end. I didnt want to insult the hard done by.
You need to spend right, so you have to invest the most in a very efficient sprayer. It is the most important tool on the farm .
You dont want a piece of shit sprayer because timing is everything.

[jcv]

I would suggest 20-25 lbs actual phosphate in the seed row. A lot of data on yield response to seed placed phosphate. This is well below crop removal, but well worth the salt toxicity or any negative effect. You could band the rest with your N in banding pass. Why not consider NH3? Often a cheaper source, and applicators are inexpensive and row spacing is not a factor.

[Daylate]

Depending on crops, soil, equipment, etc etc. There's a million variables before any of the suggestions will make sense........ However if doing it my only suggestion if your planting canola or flax then use spikes on the cultivator, that way you don't loosen all the soil before seeding. Because loose soil seeded at 5/8 of an inch can quickly get washed into 2+ inches into the furrow after a rain.
Or use nh3.

[mbdog]

ham,
Idea is good option if dealing with rut solution, and gives you field specific tool/options depending on extent of rut damage. I'd be trying to get nitrogen down and seed place dry...Pre-seed Harrowpacking and the "right" rain will help.... rut effects will still be there regardless but you can limit losses of bad situation.

[Hamloc]

Appreciate the input. A couple more details. Already have the fertilizer blends bought and in the bin. NH3 is certainly a good nitrogen option but at present not one I am considering. One thought I had was that when I seed canola in a single pass the fertilizer is only covered with about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch of dirt. If I banded it in at 2-3 inches I thought there would be less chance of the nitrogen being gased off into the atmosphere. Also was wondering about timing of pre-seed burn? How many days after cultivation can you spray?

[bgmb]

you would be way better off to spray before you cultivate. I would say banding is way way better than broadcast. Broadcast is a plan b.