China’s advancement in solar-technology production has reduced prices to a point that

[chuckChuck]

Must be hard to take for some of you coal supporters to read solar electricity at 2.4 cents per kwh without subsidies.

Every country, province, state, region will have its own economics and demand. If Alberta is not economic at this time maybe it will be in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years.

In Saskatchewan solar PV grid tied systems already works from an economic perspective. They still need to be grid tied. When storage becomes feasible solar will take over.

[Guest]

Must be hard to take for some of you coal supporters to read solar electricity at 2.4 cents per kwh without subsidies.

Every country, province, state, region will have its own economics and demand. If Alberta is not economic at this time maybe it will be in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years.

In Saskatchewan solar PV grid tied systems already works from an economic perspective. They still need to be grid tied. When storage becomes feasible solar will take over.

but , have YOU completely changed over to solar or wind ?????

[Hamloc]

You know the most amazing fact you seem to miss Chuck2 I don't live in f#*king United Emirates and neither do you. As with most socialists you don't grasp reality!!!

[checking]

cc. is just trying to get your blood pressure up,folks.

(S)He would no more drink the Athabasca River water that courses through the Alberta tar sand deposits prior to development than he would after a tailings pond was developed to regulations back from it.

Neither is she serious about installing a solar project. It's all about gathering information, and never about acting upon it.

The only system that works mostly trouble free, is convenient, and doesn't require a backup is the present base load system. To think that solar electricity is so inexpensive compared to base load distribution, which cc. admits is still required, and is not free even if it was possible to not use it, tells me that calculations on solar costs are as valid as alternate facts.

Someone who believes solar is the answer has a major disconnect problem, and it's not electrical.

[greybeard]

Two points you overlook regarding China and India.
They use solar as a peaker due to their high demand for AC when the sun is at it's noonday high.
They can't provide power at that time of the day to most residential customers.
They just brown them out every day.
Those that can afford it have home inverter power burning gasoline.
For a bonus point;
Canada has a competitive advantage with out natural resources including oil,gas,coal,hydro,and uranium.
China and India are the workshops of the world. We import most manufactured products from them. We don't compete well in manufacturing.

[Hamloc]

Thanks for your patients and wisdom Greybeard. Some days I have patients some day I don't lol.

[malleefarmer]

I'm lost here not a chuck chuck basher read his posts like all sometimes agree sometimes disagree but have you changed to wind/solar chuck gut feel suggests you must have or in the process?

In the depths of a Canadian winter you still need back up chuck or is that were wind comes in you have both on your ranch?

My cost in SA is 46c per kwh and a 70 cents per day supply charge. We are the clean green state highest renewable amount in Australia. Target in SA is 50% renewable enrgy by 2020 doubt we will make it must be currently on maybe 30%.

NSW most populated state uses clean coal?? 24 cents per kwh but supply charge per day is higher 88 cents.

Gas is 2.5 cents per mj sure you guys know what gas quote means.

How does that stack up against you guys?? Its well known we have highest or second highest electricity prices in the world

[oneoff]

Solar power, of course, has a number of disadvantages. Outside a revolution in electrical storage, solar’s obvious inability to generate power in the dark will keep it from ever dominating entire electrical systems the way coal, natural gas, nuclear and even hydro do to supply base-load power. In a high-latitude country like Canada, solar faces an even greater disadvantage in winter months.

Be sure to check out the source of that quote and understand it effect

For other than the minority types like chucky...do not be deceived. You still need practically the same backups as nuclear in Ontario and coal and oil fired in rest of world. Hydro power is real handy too. The nuclear isn't at all palatable to chucky or this planet. Hydro unfortunately isn't a large scale solution for even electrical needs of the majority of the world.

Then there are the fact that tariffs protect Canadian manufacturers from those cheap Chinese prices in Canada and the USA. That's not likely to change given the Trump phenomena for evenn that one reason alone

And all these points have been mentioned a dozen times already

And chuck hasn't made his move yet and won't until he gets a guaranteed subsidy upfront from our going bankrupt provincial and federal governments.

There are also additional paragraphs of other sobering thoughts hidden within the pages of chucks republished propaganda, advertising and hype. Too tired and too busy to point them out just now. No doubt have to try to rebut in near future as premature propaganda' omitted important unrealistic points and solutions get pushed in our faces again and again.

Suffice it to say that the necessary backup (eg batteries and/or more appropriate and dependable grid tie are omitted in these shallow blanket advertisement as provided.. Also the 75% (or likely much higher proportion of other costs than panels for a reliable sytem get conveniently marginalized

Take for example the fact that almost all current grid tied solar (in about 100% of current grid tied systems) shuts down during utility outages. Yes I said your solar system is fukin useless without a whole game changing battery backup and/or "charger" add on It even gets real complicated...but nothing unlimited subsidies couldn't fix for a minority of real pigs (subsidy hogs)

One day solar will come to all our neck of the woods. And its time will come without increasing public debt and at expense of someone or some else's future.

Do not necessarily follow a chuck....just because they have some type of clipping service. The advise sch people give is only of use to a public who invests in weighing what is not provided. And in that current absence....much more damage is done in spreading skewed and partial information to those incapable of making informed decisions

What works for them ((or coincidentally isn't working for them because they don't have or see solar in their immediate future)) is a warning they either haven't put all the pieces together themselves...or are just on a mission to railroad the rest of us into their much bigger agenda.

[chuckChuck]

Mallee. Saskatchewan where I farm we pay 11.8 cents per kwh. Hamloc pays less in Alberta so our rates are very low cost. Even in Ontario where there are some renewables I think they pay less than 20 cents depending on location as they use a higher delivery charge to rural customers. In Ontario cities I believe cost are below 15 cents per Kwh.

In Saskatchewan city dwellers subsidize rural rates, as the actual cost of transmission to sparsely populated rural areas is much higher than what is being charged. This is a good policy as it levels the costs for all consumers. Saskpower is owned by the government.

But Canada has lots of water for hydro and fossil fuels. Some of the cheapest rates are in Quebec and Manitoba where they have lots of hydro.

What were electricity prices like before the advent of renewables in australia?

Sakatchewan which is governed by a Conservative who is very supportive of the resource sector is still planning on 50% renewables by 2030. This will be mostly wind and hydro. We have lots of natural gas. There is still a lot wasted gas in the oil areas because of flaring which is the burning off of gas associated with the oil production.

Saskatchewan will likely be converting some of its coal generation to gas in the near future as gas is cheap and much cleaner. Carbon capture and storage has been used on a retrofitted coal plant. But the cost is currently very high.

Do you believe in the peer reviewed science that shows that global warming is largely caused by humans?

[Hamloc]

Actually Chuck2 in Alberta I pay 6.8 cents for power. By the time you include distribution, transmission and administration my total cost per kwh is 18.8 cents. With a bi-directional meter you are only credited for the 6.8 cent portion. With a grid-tie system you still pay the other 13 cents per kwh even if you produce all your own power.