Hey chuck here is Australia power comparison

[Hamloc]

Chuck2, Mallee has explained to you how governments push to green energy has greatly inflated power prices. There are 2 articles on the CBC today about how Ontario is going to amortize the financing of power infrastructure over a longer period, pushing the cost of their total power screw up out further so they can reduce today's prices to try and get re-elected. Robin Urbyck has a good opinion piece on it. Evidence abounds on the costly nature of green energy policies. Actual factual costs here in Canada. Now if I lived in Arizona or Palm Springs in the desert where the sun shines 360 days a year and it never freezes and your highest electrical demand is the heat of the day when solar peaks I think it would work great. But where I live my demand peaks when it is -30 and dark so solar power is just a waste of fricking money. Spout all the green bullshit you want.

[Hamloc]

Article in the National post Ontario is going to cut power rates by 17% but it will cost Ontario taxpayers 1.4 billion in extra interest costs per year. Now there is some very clear socialist thinking for you lol!!!

[fjlip]

A subsidy...Electricity still TOO EXPENSIVE for taxpayers, how nice, go into MORE DEBT!

[oneoff]

Well chuckie ain't going to find magic batteries in the next months (or year) so when we all get bills for somebody else's "surplus" peak electricity (most likely at interpprovincial peak rates) then few will shed tears first for any promoter that got us into a green energy induced electrical crisis.. and then especially it should be hoped those who wished for their prematurely preferred power sources...are first to suffer and should be seen to well deserve it.

And just for giggles; in December and January of each year ...that 10 Kw capacity solar array will most likely not quite keep a mercury vapor yardlight lit continuously.

[woodland]

Well chuckie ain't going to find magic batteries in the next months (or year) so when we all get bills for somebody else's "surplus" peak electricity (most likely at interpprovincial peak rates) then few will shed tears first for any promoter that got us into a green energy induced electrical crisis.. and then especially it should be hoped those who wished for their prematurely preferred power sources...are first to suffer and should be seen to well deserve it.

And just for giggles; in December and January of each year ...that 10 Kw capacity solar array will most likely not quite keep a mercury vapor yardlight lit continuously.

Generally my yard light comes on after my solar panels on my portable cattle water trough have called it a day.....
Just saying

[oneoff]

The point was that in December and January you're looking at 400 watts per hour; average output (on a 24 hour basis).

I could prove that based on Ontario experience. Other readers could do the same by visiting the powerhousesolar .ca website.

Just saying. That isn't a slam on alternate energy production; but it is a realistic expectation a person should have for a 10 Kw system for close to 20% of each year.

Its always smart to not swallow without considering all available information; and just blindly encourage and/or pursue schemes promoted as the compete answer; when obvious important points seem to be deliberately overlooked by salespersons and testimonials from those who haven't yet invested one cent of their own money.

[oneoff]

And that Ontario experience includes both sun following capability on a daily and seasonal basis in most cases. That not fixed tilted systems (in most cases)

Its in an arguable more hospitable seasonal environment. Including more southerly latitudes. Including much more robust monitoring capabilities. Supposedly ability to dump snow off solar panel surfaces.

Certainly not near "dirty" polluting coal generation. (or so it is insinuated and argued). And so on.

And never forget the necessity for required backup; which means "redundant" generating or storage capacity for 85% of the time. And if all was fair there would be a fair share that would be paid for by solar "customers" and not just freeloading off infrastructure that some would expect be provided for free to ungrateful subsidy grabbers. Maybe that's why delivery charges for natural gas are about equivalent to consumption costs. And maybe that's where demand charges and base rates for meters are substantial costs to users (some of whom are charged for even a few KVA of electrical demand that stick for months and even a percentage of that doesn't disappear for a period of a year)