Hey chuck here is Australia power comparison

[SASKFARMER3]

chuck chuck this is their clean green renewable state 5 th best in world for saving the planet 2nd worse for prices of power

[malleefarmer]

That's I think termed off the grid peak cost???
This week has been hot 38 to 40 peak power usage is late afternoon I think between 3 and 6.
We have a allocation at a certain price once you above it you pay full tote odds. Plus existing measures if that makes sense.

So that pic has been doing the round with politicians so our existing expensive green power plus interconnected power plus excess is how the figure came about. All the other states have stuff all renewable and use coal

[chuckChuck]

So the screenshot is hard to read and those are just numbers. What do they mean? How much per kwh? What were the rates before renewable sources came on stream? Can we trust Aussie politicians to provide unbiased analysis? Or is it like here some Cons hate green power and will do everything to prove it is too costly and won't work. Politicians are not independent sources.

As I pointed out in other posts, solar is now at 2.4 cents a kwh in some countries and is cheaper than coal with CCS and probably coal without CCS. That still doesn't solve the problem of needing base load or storage. But imagine what happens when storage becomes widely available. Could be still a way off but Tesla and others already have residential powerwalls and others will follow.

This technology changes fast.

[SASKFARMER3]

I'll let mallee handle the questions But really it shows your full of shit the green dream cost people so much money it's not worth it. And in most cases if you look at costs it's way more costly than normal old fashion energy!

But of course it wasn't 30 pages of bullshit just a photo.

Sort of sims it up.

Green sucks

[seldomseen]

Chucky your so smart, so instead of lecturing us all the time just get all your solar panels and wind turbines all set up then invite us over and show us how good they work.

[sumdumguy]

i heard there is a lot of energy in sewage. Bet you can produce a lot of energy with Chuckie and Grassy's B.S.

[malleefarmer]

will see what I can find unfortunately may be a cut and paste.

the big discussion here at moment is south Australia has 2nd or 3rd highest deposits of uranium in the world and I may be wrong call me out guys but Canada is 2nd or 3rd as well Russia has the most.

Any way we could have cheapest power in the world for centuries plus export as well but darn greens and minor parties wont let it happen

[malleefarmer]

South Australia's fluctuating electricity prices and reliance on wind and solar energy is a "big wake-up call" for the Federal Government, Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg has said.
Earlier this month prices swung from more than $500 a megawatt hour to up to $14,000 a megawatt hour which had some of the state's biggest employers threatening shut downs.
The state has a renewable energy target of 50 per cent by 2025, up from the 40 per cent currently generated.
Mr Frydenberg said many factors were behind the price hike, including a cold snap and the intermittency of solar and wind energy which needed to be backed up.
"If you look at South Australia, for example, you have a very high renewable energy target, it's 50 per cent by 2025. Now that compares to NSW which is saying they're going to go to 20 per cent by 2025," Mr Frydenberg said
"Now obviously there are ramifications of having those decisions and you saw Northern and Playford [power stations] both close in South Australia.
"You saw [SA Treasurer Tom] Koutsantonis go to Engie, the French-owned company, and ask them to restart their gas-fired power station at Pelican Point.
"They're the sort of ramifications that flow from some of these decisions and what we do need is good back-up support, whether it is through Heywood interconnector to Victoria ... or other forms of back up to support that intermitted power from wind and solar."
Mr Frydenberg, who will join state energy ministers at a COAG meeting on August 19, said making improvements to the market was on the agenda.
"There are certainty big lessons for us at the national level from South Australia and we don't want to see a repeat of that huge volatility that you have had.
"That level of volatility is not helpful for business certainty and investment and also for households," he said.
Mr Koutsantonis has previously said there was little the State Government could do to reduce price changes due to privatisation of the state's electricity assets.

[Oliver88]

Chucky your so smart, so instead of lecturing us all the time just get all your solar panels and wind turbines all set up then invite us over and show us how good they work.

It is interesting that those who lecture us and "know better" can talk the talk but don't seem to walk the walk.
I'd be interested in attending an Agriville green power summit and learn how to cut up my SaskPower bill due to CHEAP, reliable green power at one of our lecturing green Reverends farms.

But should 1000 of us burn fossil fuels in Gore/Suzuki style by driving trucks or flying helicopters to get to the green seminar or should it be a webinar?

[chuckChuck]

I have been seriously researching grid tied solar pv and have priced out installed and kits for the farm. The panels keep getting more efficient rapidly. I know three people personally who have installed systems in the last year. I expect I will do something in the next few months to a year.

Whether I install or not it is not relevant to the discussion. Since all you are believers in coal as the cheapest energy are you personally using coal to heat your house, shop?

Not to mention Saskpower and Brad Wall are planning on 1600 MW of wind and small amount of solar so investments are being made on taxpayers behalf whether you like it or not.

Since you all consider yourself smarter that Sask power you better set them straight on their plans. LOL

[Rareearth]

The first step should be to change all light bulbs on the farm to LED, especially the metal halide.

[chuckChuck]

Rare. Agreed, the first step is always improving efficiency. Use less energy. It will save you money in the long term.

[Hamloc]

Chuck2, Mallee has explained to you how governments push to green energy has greatly inflated power prices. There are 2 articles on the CBC today about how Ontario is going to amortize the financing of power infrastructure over a longer period, pushing the cost of their total power screw up out further so they can reduce today's prices to try and get re-elected. Robin Urbyck has a good opinion piece on it. Evidence abounds on the costly nature of green energy policies. Actual factual costs here in Canada. Now if I lived in Arizona or Palm Springs in the desert where the sun shines 360 days a year and it never freezes and your highest electrical demand is the heat of the day when solar peaks I think it would work great. But where I live my demand peaks when it is -30 and dark so solar power is just a waste of fricking money. Spout all the green bullshit you want.

[Hamloc]

Article in the National post Ontario is going to cut power rates by 17% but it will cost Ontario taxpayers 1.4 billion in extra interest costs per year. Now there is some very clear socialist thinking for you lol!!!

[fjlip]

A subsidy...Electricity still TOO EXPENSIVE for taxpayers, how nice, go into MORE DEBT!