Reading NFU thread a question?

[blackpowder]

Any similarities between wheat and potash are hallucinations.

[Braveheart]

There were other wheat boards prior to 1935 that failed and until 1943 (War Measures Act) it wasn't compulsory for farmers to sell wheat through the wheat board. We really needed Wikileaks not Wikipedia when talking about the wheat board.

[vvalk]

Bucket your point is well taken.

Corporations have to act in the best interest of shareholders. If establishing some sort of monopoly is possible, corporations will pursue that state.

Some farmers on the other hand see individual rights as more important than any gain that may result from working together.

Chuck chuck
Just take a minute and think about it. It's the exact opposite. The CWB only had a monopoly against farmers. They had absolute right to buy the grain from farmers in Canada. What makes you think they had any sort of monopoly on selling grain to the world? They had like 15% market share on wheat and only cwrs and no other wheat. they would even force cwrs into non cwrs markets. Please enlighten me how I have this wrong

[Integrity_Farmer]

[QUOTE=Braveheart;340272]Party on Blackpowder. But you should have pointed out the false news from Grassfarmer as he misled Mallee. The CWB was set up by Liberal cabinet minister Mitchell Sharpe as a war measure. In 1942-43 wheat was vital to the war effort and to ensure supplies and keep a lid on prices, the wheat board was "set up". Instead of many buyers, or a few buyers (however you count) there was only one. Of course thereafter, like the Highlander movie, the cry was, "There can be only one".


Party on Blackpowder. What BS
From wiki In 1963, Mitchell Sharp was first elected as a member of Parliament representing Eglinton.

Farmers never voted to end the Canadian Wheat Board.

The Canadian Wheat Board had universal support from farmers in western Canada and continued to have the support of farmers. The last CWB board of directors had 8 out of 10 CWB democratically elected farmer board members that were single desk CWB supporters. In fact Ritz and Harper arbitrarily removed the elected farmer representatives on the Board of Directors and ended the CWB.

The CWB was a single desk marketer not a grain company.

For information go to http://www.cwbafacts.ca/

Download the Great Canadian Grain Robbery here
http://www.cwbafacts.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2015-Election-Facts-Harper-Hides.pdf

As the saying goes those that don't remember and understand history are condemned to relive it. Farmers have lost billions of dollars since the CWB was destroyed by Harper.

[Oliver88]

Comparing potash to CWRS is apples to oranges.

Saskatchewan has approximately 50% of world potash supply.
CWB controlled a minor amount CWRS and also malt barley.

Canpotex controlled production quantities of Agrium, Mosaic and PCS by allocating quotas for each company.

[Braveheart]

Or read Don Barron's, "Canada's Great Grain Robbery" an eerily similar title, but 180 degree view of things.

[blackpowder]

Reflecting on IF for a moment. Should one admire his conviction or pity his blindness?
I choose the latter. Conviction holds a nobler tone than which applys here.
A shred of honor and he would admit the share of blame thats due. Che Guevaras' end.
IF. The original false news.
Guess I felt like a brawl and thats all agriville good for lately.

[chuckChuck]

So just to be clear you farmers who opposed the wheat board for whatever reason are in favour of single desk selling of potash because?

Since most of you support Brad Wall and his support for Canpotex, this is an interesting position coming from free market oriented farmers who will have nothing to do with marketing boards.

The same can be said for Conservative support for supply management.

So the principle of single desk selling and supply management is okay as long as it add value? And the problem was it didn't add value?

[blackpowder]

Why does anyone bother? Moreover, how does one stay polite?
Phew!! OPEC Uralkali Canpotex, were monopoly sellers.
You Chuck, were a monopoly buyer. Definition of monopoly I would assume to mean more than 15%?
And we're supposed to lie down to your green garbage????


I wonder since Mallee started this, could he answer if fanaticism was as deeply entrenched in OZ??

[Integrity_Farmer]

Reflecting on IF for a moment. Should one admire his conviction or pity his blindness?
I choose the latter. Conviction holds a nobler tone than which applys here.
A shred of honor and he would admit the share of blame thats due. Che Guevaras' end.
IF. The original false news.
Guess I felt like a brawl and thats all agriville good for lately.

Don't know what Che Guevaras has to do with this. Did he grow wheat on the prairies?

I am not sure what your point is but you have the right to say whatever you want.

Your facts are not accurate and your history distorted. I hope you understand the Mitchel Sharp was first a cabinet minister in 1963 not during the world war two as you stated.

[malleefarmer]

Why does anyone bother? Moreover, how does one stay polite?
Phew!! OPEC Uralkali Canpotex, were monopoly sellers.
You Chuck, were a monopoly buyer. Definition of monopoly I would assume to mean more than 15%?
And we're supposed to lie down to your green garbage????


I wonder since Mallee started this, could he answer if fanaticism was as deeply entrenched in OZ??

No because reasons I stated we had a lead in period of deregulated domestic market and semi deregulated export single desk. People started realizing hey this selling for cash and getting all your spondolee upfront wasn't so bad compared to drawn out 18 month pools.

The fact is the single desk is a Monopsony not a Monopoly theres a huge huge difference.

But Canada is WAY WAY different than aust think you guys would have benifited from lead in period of 10 yr plus as well

[malleefarmer]

Lets stop for a minute and look at 16/17 harvest. Those astute marketers got a high of $305 for wheat I DID NOT we locked in at $272 then sold in small licks down and to packers at good prices.

Pool returns or if single desk was going estimated returns would be at a guess $210 to $220 year like this is when pools failed badly doesn't matted awb or cwb they couldn't compete in falling markets just a fact of life.