SARM Resolution on protection of property?

[farmaholic]

"What part of the resolution exactly, makes us look like rednecks?"


It must be the defending ourselves and our property instead of letting the thugs have their way.

Maybe the people trying to defend themselves and their property need rehabilitation! Lock the dangerous victims up!


Looks even dumber in print!

[Guest]

Glad you guys made the resolution and that it passed. Hope it bears fruit . Thanks ! Long overdue . Funny how some on here are oblivious to what is happening around them . Perps have far more rights than the people they are terrorizing

[Guest]

LEP - well worded and a respectful response to my observation.

ChuckChuck - I am sorry I can not even begin to type a response to your post that I just read it is utter racial biase nonsense. Nobody said anything about race - other than you who refers to someone as "brown skin" - that is completely disrespectful no matter whose side of the argument you are on.

Race card always gets played when they see theyre wrong

[Guest]

The RM of Kindersley WTF ?? Unemployed oil workers running round vandalizing and stealing or what ?

The Laws are already in place to protect yourself on your property.

It makes farmers look like a bunch of redneck idiots. Did the song " duelling Banjos " come on after the motion was seconded ??

Could be unemployed oilfield workers doing it ? What exactly is your point ??? What difference would it make who is doing the stealing vandalizing, etc???

[farmaholic]

Race? Absolutely nothing to do with this. We are supposed to be all equal in the blind eyes of the law.

A couple of brothers from a neighboring town have pictures of a guy stealing from their vacant farm.... a caucasian man!

[blackpowder]

Sadly that will go as far in Ottawa as a snowball in hell.

[the big wheel]

People now days have no morals no decency in general. Kids that are growing up now are complete ass holes, because spoiled parents raised them. That's why governments don't want so many people
Living out on the farms. They want us big farmers that can afford security systems.
Society cannot afford to have police out in the rural areas. It's fend for yourselves.
If you re a son of a bi--h that has the nerve to come to one of my yardsights with a loaded up vehicle of drunks to steal you fkrs made that choice I didn't put the gun to your head to come disrespect me working for my money by stealing but I sure As hell will put one to your head once you've decided to make that choice.

Court system protects the crooks so just skip it. Send the ambulance.

[the big wheel]

Like your style wise one.

You know what? Let's make Canada great again! They re sending thugs and drunks to our farms. They re not just driving down our roads they're stealing and robbing and scaring. So let's build walls. I love walls. I m gonna build the biggest best walls around my farm and you know who s gonna pay for it? The thieves and thugs in those cars will pay for it and you will see the most beautiful walls you ever seen..............................
Well ok maybe I ll need a loan first to pay for it. Are you in? Please send money. Please.

[habnut]

Soooo....If you are snooping around my property in the middle of the night, and my dog takes a chunk out of your arse, would my dog be in trouble with the law?

[farmaholic]

Habnut.......the Police will contact the SPCA or local animal shelter and have the dog impounded then euthanized because it will be deemed a danger to the public.....oh the irony!

[oneoff]

Soooo....If you are snooping around my property in the middle of the night, and my dog takes a chunk out of your arse, would my dog be in trouble with the law?

Hubnuts.. Never have thought of this problem solving solution like that; but perhaps this is the solution for some people.

A couple of comments though....first ; distance yourself from any admission that it is "my" dog. Better that the ******* moved in unannounced; without your consent, permission or any aid from your farm business. Maintain they don't seem to like you; they are next to wild animals that maybe have a right to their own ways ; are not in any way a pet and are sustained by any food they steal or seem to acquire without asking through written requests; and similarly the shelter they seem to have solely taken over. Any help to make their lives easier can be explained on humanitarian type grounds. After all no one should believe in animal cruelty. Like all Earth Rangers know.....something about loving ALL animals.

In short you have no ties to those dogs. Don't try to deduct occasional bribes or dog treats such as dog food from your income tax. On audit that won't stand up anyways.

Come to think of it...over the years the odd neighbor has had a couple of the meanest critters on their property that they seemingly were at wits end on how to dispose of them. It was effective in keeping EVERYONE away.

Maybe keep a more friendly cat or other pet separately. Move to where the fire department and police respond in minutes. Live in that gated community; security wire that house like Trump Tower; or any provincial government crown corp building etc. You can't legally harbor a viscious animal there.

The world is changing fast; and their are many who see the countryside as their own that can be used and abused in any manner that crosses their self centered minds....No respect for "rights" of others.

[chuckChuck]

If crime is a problem in your area there are a number of practical things you can do to prevent it. Video survelliance cameras and game cameras strategically placed around the farm yard will give criminals a strong deterrent plus give you evidence which can be used to convict. Alarm systems on your shop, house and storage sheds. Dogs.

Don't leave any machinery out in full view near the road. For yard sites that are not lived in, a sign at the entrance saying there are hidden spike belts do not enter. You don't need to actually use them or use them all the time as most would be thieves won't bother looking for them.

In 1976 ago some thieves robbed a fall supper out in Sedley just SE of Regina. A couple of guys from the supper organizers decided to chase after them. It ended badly as the would be heroes were shot dead.

In another incident a neighbor confronted some guys out hunting without permision, there were some words exchanged and threats with a gun made. This is a dangerous situation to best be avoided.

In both cases does it make sense to confront armed intruders or thieves? I would say no. It is best to let them go. Try to identify them and their vehicles and report it to the police. Is your life worth a few hundred dollars or some fuel or a tresspass?

The other risk is that you will end up over reacting and shooting someone like a local kid who as many kids do, gets into trouble. Do you really want that hanging over you for the rest of your life? Even the Cops suffer from PTSD when shootings occur.

Obviously if you are being physically attacked and self defense is your only option that is a different situation. But confronting thieves or vandals for property crime is probably not worth it.

[Hopalong]

Used to be said that income tax allowed expense of one dog per farmstead.

[farmaholic]

Exactly chuckChuck! Pick your battles.

I'll defend myself and the safety of the family but stolen stuff can be replaced.

When personal confrontation and aggression are part of the encounter.... it becomes a different story and I bet that is what the resolution is aimed at.

[chuckChuck]

BE IT RESOLVED that SARM lobby the federal government to expand the rights and justification for an individual to defend or protect himself,herself and person under care and property.

Farma I think it is a vague resolution, but property has been added at the end. This makes the intent of the resolution to offer more protection to people who use excessive force while protecting property. I doubt that most SARM delegates have a good understanding the laws in this area. Resolutions of this kind which don't spell out what they specifically plan to lobby for are kind of useless. This will never pass scrutiny in Canada.

And I also think it won't really help, as most sensible people won't bother confronting those who commit property crime. It is rare to catch anyone in the act. Most thieves have figured out not to commit crime while you are around. How many guys have the time to be guarding their property? Install an alarm system and video surveilance that is much better use of your time and money.