Humic/Fulvic Acid, Root Rot, Fusarium, fertilizer meeting Kindersley/Humboldt

[blackpowder]

Starting to sound like he works for Agrium.

[jamesb]

Interesting topic.
My comment is that I'm not against these soil additives but as a farmer who has seen many products come and go, it is easy to be sceptical. I remember Agrispon being touted back in the early 80's as the next best thing. It seemed to be the poorer farmers in those days that didn't use enough macro nutrients that flocked to that type of stuff expecting a miracle cause that's what they were told.
Those of you that have bought in that's great for you but you must realize that there is a group of farmers that are very sceptical of something that diverts from commonly held thinking in regards to soil additives. Testimonials for me are a real red flag. I am looking for accredited research done by a University, or a government research farm. I'm sorry that's me.
You guys may be on to something but I will say that as a farmer who always has always done a lot of soil testing and now is involved with vari rating seed and fert using a combination of imagery, soil testing and yield maps together with a accredited agronomist. I put trust in their recommendations and if the agronomist say to try it I probably would.

[tweety]

Decomposition products of dead plant materials form intimate associations with minerals, making it difficult to isolate and characterize soil organic constituents. 18th century soil chemists successfully used alkaline extraction to isolate a portion of the organic constituents in soil. This led to the theory that a 'humification' process created 'humic substances': most commonly 'humic acid', 'fulvic acid', and 'humin'.[10] However, these humic substances have not been observed in soil. Although 'humification' theory is unsupported by evidence, "the underlying theory persists in the contemporary literature, including current textbooks."[11] Attempts to redefine 'humic substances' in valid terms have resulted in a proliferation of incompatible definitions, "with far-reaching implications beyond our ability to communicate scientifically accurate soil processes and properties."

Take the time and actually read it.... [URL="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nature16069.pdf"]http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nature16069.pdf[/URL]

We have a long way to go before spraying a bit of compost or coal dust on durum will cure fusarium.

[dykercaseih]

Any of you guys take calculus 110 or 400 finance classes in university?? Man I was happy when I passed those classes. Once I got into the real world though don't think I ever used one formula ever...
Tweety is my Math 110, time to put that book back on the shelf and let the dust start collecting again....

[dykercaseih]

In regards to these meetings we talked about foliar feeding. Kugler in Canada has its place as we only have so many days and the roots cant take up all the groceries we throw at it.. Foliar feeding will be here for the future.. How do I know this??? Well the Koch Brothers are getting into the game and will be live in 2-3 years. Getting back to finance class last time I checked those brothers aren't joining the club because we might be onto something.....

Second topic was Humic... On my farm I am not using this product to mine the soil.. I am using this product for the uptake of calcium benefit to make my plants hardier and better to fight disease. I am still throwing the full macro package at my land.
In dry areas Humic also has a 7-1 holding capacity, this might be why Mallee saw his crops hang on for long periods of time. But when a drought ends up being a dud well no plant survives. Still for areas like south Alberta and west sasky this might be one of the most attractive things of the product.. For myself it is a health uptake side but Humic will be here for the future. In talking with an older hutterite who has looked after his potatoes for 30 years he told me they never had a blight issue. What was his secret?? It was KELP... He was shocked that we were having a meeting and talking about stuff he has practiced on their colony all his life.. He told me 4 or 5 times during meeting "well done young man well done".

Third topic was a product from Earth smart that has the biological strains, there is 4 of them in the product. This product also has L amino acids, humic, and kelp in it... In no way am I a non fungicide either, if I was growing 3000 dollar an acre Chickpeas do you not think I would be throwing the kitchen sink at them!!! But if I could keep them healthy from day one I sure as hell would try that too..

My farm is in the stage 4 cancer territory, and trust me I got lots of skin in the game.. What my farm faces no university or college or whatever the hell source you wanna call it has tested it in Canada because for one its new and there is no experience.. So just like everything else you go to Europe as they are 10 plus years ahead of us on anything in the Ag industry. Plus they face the humid and wet conditions like I face.. So tell me how isn't that the best case analysis?

Too put this to bed if anyone wants to discuss this stuff send me a private email here. I wont be putting my contact info here in respect to the guys that think it is free advertising and not a capitalistic society...
Thanks for your time and happy seeding!