Immigration misconceptions

[grassfarmer]

A good article by 2 University of Alberta Immigration experts challenging misconceptions around immigrants and refugees.

One important quote from the article:

"...One result of this extreme vetting is that refugees—as with most immigrants to Canada—commit less crime on average than those already here."

Full article here:
[URL="http://www.ualberta.ca/news-and-events/newsarticles/2017/march/immigration-misconception-driving-anti-muslim-sentiment-in-canada"]http://https://www.ualberta.ca/news-and-events/newsarticles/2017/march/immigration-misconception-driving-anti-muslim-sentiment-in-canada[/URL]

[SASKFARMER3]

Hm grass my family came from Germany on one side and Ukraine on other and we're sent to carve a life out in canada not given the good land in Indian head or regina but sent to the trees! Funny they learnt English and borrowed from neighbours and began to fit in and carve out a great life then when the English sold and quit farming the good land they moved south and bought them out. Circle of life.

So my point every one is welcome just quit the open door policy where you walk across a border and your in, your fleeing from the USA. Ah wtf is all I can say.

Every one who follows the rules is welcome adapt to the Canadian way, English and French are our two official languages work and be part of canada .

No first in line for university or worry about immigration over our own poor.

Also if your flagged we send you home.

Good day grass

[grassfarmer]

.....So my point every one is welcome just quit the open door policy .....

That's what you call an oxymoron.

[SASKFARMER3]

So grass it's ok for people to walk across a border and claim refugee status?

Just walk across a border. Try that in Korea or china or Russia or USA you get a one way ticket home jail or you just disappear but a genius like you knows that you just want to argue!'

[wakopa]

O my goodness u white poeple are getting very guilible .we are in a totally different era. You can't go back at stats anymore the door is open for the ------- to come here . What's happening in Sweden, o yes that not happening on cnn and Cbc right ,

[GDR]

Speaking of the walking across the border issue, I had a neighbor that spent the winter in the lower mainland BC, told me that Sihks and Muslims in Vancouver have been having some big turf wars. Supposedly the Osoyoos border crossing has been having Sihks crossing into US and claiming refugee status for religious persecution in Vancouver. One of the border agents was complaining there is no media coverage about that like there is on the ones coming this week?

Anyone else here anything about that?

[mcfarms]

As I said in another thread that this same guy started. There is a large difference between Immigration and migration.

[grassfarmer]

Definitions:
Immigration - "the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country"
Migration - "the movement of persons from one country or locality to another"
Not that large a difference mcfarms. What was your point?

What is really astounding is the number of people that don't know the difference between a refugee and an immigrant. Again, definition: Refugee - "someone who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution or natural disaster"

Apparently Trump had no clue about this either as Angela Merkel had to explain to him the rules of the Geneva Convention with regard to refugees which can be summed up that "the refugee convention requires the international community to take in war refugees on humanitarian grounds. All signatory states are obligated to do". As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the USA has no right to refuse access to refugees. But I guess Donnie will just announce that America got a "bad deal" in the Geneva Convention and wants to renegotiate it LOL.

Interesting that you bring up Sweden wakopa - for some facts let's head to the Government of Sweden official website page entitled "Facts about migration and crime in Sweden"

[URL="http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/"]http://http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/[/URL]

A critical extract from it for the skimmers is this revelation - "The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes."

In other words the same finding as the University of Alberta study. That's why the source of facts is important wakopa because if you believe braying buffoons like Ezra Levant or Alex Jones instead you are dealing with fantasy which they are using to whip up a hysteria of division and hatred.

[grassfarmer]

Why even have an immigration guy at the airport? Wtf am I white or something? Why are they racist against me? Two sets of rules, one for taxpayers and one for outsiders. Just close the doors on the immigration department. Commie bastards!

Go back and read the Alberta article I posted first under "Vetting and values" and you will see there is a strict protocol in place - which is working.

[wakopa]

So those facts about tresa aren't true ?what does it matter where u get your facts from if they are true , look where u getting ur facts from , the government of Sweden , since when do governments tell the truth, the are on the top of the list for being liars . Between ebrandon and this site I see why this world is run so terrible .

[grassfarmer]

So those facts about tresa aren't true ?what does it matter where u get your facts from if they are true , look where u getting ur facts from , the government of Sweden , since when do governments tell the truth, the are on the top of the list for being liars . Between ebrandon and this site I see why this world is run so terrible .

Tresa? this tresa?

Not sure either ebrandon or Agriville are involved in running the world.

[mcfarms]

Quite a difference you immigrated following accepted protocols and came because you were pulled to come to Canada, whereas what is occurring in spots now is migration these people are being pushed into Canada by fear of changes in US policy. put Obama back in and they would be gone back south tommorrow in the meantime they will be here as refugees from a country that posed no threat to them as long as they came in legally in the first place.
Usually when a large scale migration has taken place throughout human history its led to conflict with the indigenous population, who in most cases migrated at some point before.

[grassfarmer]

Yes, I was attracted to Canada by the opportunity it offered - and so are the people crossing at Emerson now. The US is no longer seen as "the promised land" or the "land of opportunity" by many around the world - Canada is - and I think that is something we should be proud of. It is wrong to say these people are refugees from the US - it was merely a part of the route they took to get to Canada. They are refugees from Afghanistan, Syria, Sub-Saharan Africa etc places from where they have been displaced by war, persecution and famine.
Looking at past migrations to Canada it would seem only the initial invasion by white settlers led to conflict with an indigenous population. In the intervening years there have been many periods of refugee influxes often involving tens of thousands of people at a time and none of them have led to any conflict of note. Many thousand of these refugees were muslim, many thousand more came from communist countries, still others were Jews, Iranians, Bhutanese, Chilean or Palestinians. They have contributed to the fabric of this great country and there is no reason to think the current influx of migrants will do any different.

[Horse]

What relay eats my lunch on this immigration is they shit the bed in there old country and instead of cleaning up the mess they move and leave it for someone else to deal with, is that who you really want to help build your country. As for no conflict I can member when the Ukrainians were thick and no they weren't shot at but they sure were ridiculed, and Chinese,irish , well you get the point.

[WiltonRanch]

Ukrainians, Irish, Italians, Germans, and scots some of the most looked down people that came out here, and most outlasted anyone else because of desire, knowledge, and the fact where they come from was shittier than freezing their ass off here. They built this country with pure hard work and determination. What I see problem with the latest people coming in is any sort of integration into our society is slow if not non existent. Ukrainians and the like were from a different part of Europe and may of practiced a different type of Christianity but they still were of Christian values. I am in no way implying here that Christians are better than Muslims or Sikhs but what I am making light of is we are a socially Christian society whether we are believers or aetheists. So when people from places with vastly different religious cultures come here their integration into our society is tough. Personally I don't have a problem with people coming and if the vetting process is reliable then why not. What I do have a problem with though is there is this natural progression of cultures to pack up in corners of large cities. That is worrisome in the long run if socio economic conditions go to pot. I'd be more of terrorism resulting from that than letting in foreigners. I wonder if it would be better to spread out legal refuges across the country and make them stay there for a set period. It could teach us tolerance and them tolerance as well. This was done with Vietnamese refuges and the have adapted quite well. But for it to work they have to adapt to our culture and we need to be tolerant.