Immigration misconceptions

[grassfarmer]

Yes, I was attracted to Canada by the opportunity it offered - and so are the people crossing at Emerson now. The US is no longer seen as "the promised land" or the "land of opportunity" by many around the world - Canada is - and I think that is something we should be proud of. It is wrong to say these people are refugees from the US - it was merely a part of the route they took to get to Canada. They are refugees from Afghanistan, Syria, Sub-Saharan Africa etc places from where they have been displaced by war, persecution and famine.
Looking at past migrations to Canada it would seem only the initial invasion by white settlers led to conflict with an indigenous population. In the intervening years there have been many periods of refugee influxes often involving tens of thousands of people at a time and none of them have led to any conflict of note. Many thousand of these refugees were muslim, many thousand more came from communist countries, still others were Jews, Iranians, Bhutanese, Chilean or Palestinians. They have contributed to the fabric of this great country and there is no reason to think the current influx of migrants will do any different.

[Horse]

What relay eats my lunch on this immigration is they shit the bed in there old country and instead of cleaning up the mess they move and leave it for someone else to deal with, is that who you really want to help build your country. As for no conflict I can member when the Ukrainians were thick and no they weren't shot at but they sure were ridiculed, and Chinese,irish , well you get the point.

[WiltonRanch]

Ukrainians, Irish, Italians, Germans, and scots some of the most looked down people that came out here, and most outlasted anyone else because of desire, knowledge, and the fact where they come from was shittier than freezing their ass off here. They built this country with pure hard work and determination. What I see problem with the latest people coming in is any sort of integration into our society is slow if not non existent. Ukrainians and the like were from a different part of Europe and may of practiced a different type of Christianity but they still were of Christian values. I am in no way implying here that Christians are better than Muslims or Sikhs but what I am making light of is we are a socially Christian society whether we are believers or aetheists. So when people from places with vastly different religious cultures come here their integration into our society is tough. Personally I don't have a problem with people coming and if the vetting process is reliable then why not. What I do have a problem with though is there is this natural progression of cultures to pack up in corners of large cities. That is worrisome in the long run if socio economic conditions go to pot. I'd be more of terrorism resulting from that than letting in foreigners. I wonder if it would be better to spread out legal refuges across the country and make them stay there for a set period. It could teach us tolerance and them tolerance as well. This was done with Vietnamese refuges and the have adapted quite well. But for it to work they have to adapt to our culture and we need to be tolerant.

[Oliver88]

Screening is very important.

Another terrorist attack today, this time on a bridge in London!

[burnt]

Grassfarmer, you might believe the Liberal bullcrap that you post, but all you (and a few others) really do is put your rose-colored ignorance on display for all to read.

So the premise you operate on in reaching your incorrect conclusions about the incoming (illegal!) Islamist immigration wave is that since immigration worked in the past, it will work now. If it was held true in the past, it is true in the present, regardless of all the other dynamics that have changed.

There is an immense difference between the current Islamist wave coming in and those before. It was European immigration, with its western values, which made this country what it is. And successive immigration accepted those values - even as they were being weakened by a century of relative ease and departure from their Judeo-Christian basis.

The culture which provided the bedrock for past advancements has been eroded to the point where it cannot withstand the assault being launched by new immigrants - M-103, for example.

M-103 is the beginning of the silent and subtle replacement of those values with an Islamist caliphate.

It is inevitable, based on Muslim birthrates alone.

Thanks to the convoluted and demented Liberal mental processes now at work (one cannot even call it "thinking") our children and grandchildren will soon be growing up with FGM and daily calls to Islamic prayer as a matter of normal course.

Those who see Islam/Islamists as a benign culture like any other are so badly misguided and ignorant that they are a threat to the social benefits and stability that we have enjoyed as a result of what we built over the past 200 years.

It didn't work for them where they are coming from, yet by some wild grasp at logic, grassy expects that it will work out here?

I suggest he be named grass smoker...

[burnt]

Och, Ah dinnae ken, boot issa most like just that IRA wakening again...

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[grassfarmer]

Good point WiltonRanch, I've always felt immigrants ending up in ghettos in Toronto or Vancouver is a bad thing too. Especially given a lot of them were rural people and farmers where they came from. Much better that they repopulate dying rural communities across the prairies where they might find work on farms and contribute kids to dwindling school populations. How to achieve that result though given the most anti-immigrant, anti-incomer attitudes exist in these same rural areas? The immigrants tend to seek the comfort and support of their fellow countrymen when they come to a foreign land. I agree with your aim but don't see how to enable it to happen.

Muslims coming to Canada is nothing new Burnt. Thousands came from Pakistan in 1971, 7000 from Uganda a couple of years later, another 10,000 from Bosnia and Kosova in the 1990s and these were just the refugees not regular immigrants - where is the trail of violence and terrorism they have created in Canada?
Truth is they are thankful to get out of a terrible situation and happily adapt to a peaceful country. Just as German immigrants have not perpetrated a holocaust in Canada, nor Ukranian immigrants a hodomor there is no more reason to think the people fleeing ISIS will inflict it's worst atrocities on Canadians when they move here.

Terrorism is a fact of life, we've dealt with it for generations in Europe and most areas of the world. Threats and attacks can come from many different groups of people with different agendas over the years. Just in North America it seems new since 9/11 and most here still haven't wrapped their head around the concept. It's something you police against and govern against based on the risk presented. Randomly banning whole religions and whole ethnicities based on flawed, biased or non-existant risk assessment is not going to end terrorism I can guarantee that.

[sumdumguy]

Good point WiltonRanch, I've always felt immigrants ending up in ghettos in Toronto or Vancouver is a bad thing too. Especially given a lot of them were rural people and farmers where they came from. Much better that they repopulate dying rural communities across the prairies where they might find work on farms and contribute kids to dwindling school populations. How to achieve that result though given the most anti-immigrant, anti-incomer attitudes exist in these same rural areas? The immigrants tend to seek the comfort and support of their fellow countrymen when they come to a foreign land. I agree with your aim but don't see how to enable it to happen.

Muslims coming to Canada is nothing new Burnt. Thousands came from Pakistan in 1971, 7000 from Uganda a couple of years later, another 10,000 from Bosnia and Kosova in the 1990s and these were just the refugees not regular immigrants - where is the trail of violence and terrorism they have created in Canada?
Truth is they are thankful to get out of a terrible situation and happily adapt to a peaceful country. Just as German immigrants have not perpetrated a holocaust in Canada, nor Ukranian immigrants a hodomor there is no more reason to think the people fleeing ISIS will inflict it's worst atrocities on Canadians when they move here.

Terrorism is a fact of life, we've dealt with it for generations in Europe and most areas of the world. Threats and attacks can come from many different groups of people with different agendas over the years. Just in North America it seems new since 9/11 and most here still haven't wrapped their head around the concept. It's something you police against and govern against based on the risk presented. Randomly banning whole religions and whole ethnicities based on flawed, biased or non-existant risk assessment is not going to end terrorism I can guarantee that.

There's an idea, Grassy - Give them your farm, make them really at home.

[burnt]

Truth is they are thankful to get out of a terrible situation and happily adapt to a peaceful country. Just as German immigrants have not perpetrated a holocaust in Canada, nor Ukranian immigrants a hodomor there is no more reason to think the people fleeing ISIS will inflict it's worst atrocities on Canadians when they move here.

Terrorism is a fact of life, we've dealt with it for generations in Europe and most areas of the world. Threats and attacks can come from many different groups of people with different agendas over the years. Just in North America it seems new since 9/11 and most here still haven't wrapped their head around the concept. It's something you police against and govern against based on the risk presented. Randomly banning whole religions and whole ethnicities based on flawed, biased or non-existant risk assessment is not going to end terrorism I can guarantee that.

They seem to be having trouble adapting to the peace, security and free care in that socialist haven, Sweden and Denmark.

However, you deserve credit for finally acknowledging (as if you had any alternative, in light of the facts) that terrorism follows in the wake of the Islamists(See origin of Marc Lepine). But I, for one, am not prepared to accept it as a fact of life.

And I suppose that since you also admit that immigration must be policed and governed, you agree that those who enter illegally should be imprisoned until they can be expropriated, according to the law of the land?

And speaking of policing them, it appears that the British were allegedly policing today's "Islamist attacker of the day", terrorist Abu Izzadeen for the past 5 years. How did that work out for them?

Are you really starting to come around, now that your province is coming under direct assault?

One final question, if it was your farm that the Islamists were crossing on their illegal entry into Canada, would you lock your doors? (See: Danish/Somali Crime Rates)

[grassfarmer]

And speaking of policing them, it appears that the British were allegedly policing today's "Islamist attacker of the day", terrorist Abu Izzadeen for the past 5 years. How did that work out for them?

Quite well by the looks of things as reports are that this guy was actually in prison so couldn't have committed these acts - more of your "fake news" LOL. You need to sit back and wait on the facts - thought you'd maybe have learnt that after the Quebec mosque shooting.
Interesting facts about this Izzadeen character though - real name was Trevor Brooks, born in Britain to Christian parents of Jamaican origin. Quick lets ban all Christians from entering the country!

[samhill]

I likely can't make this work:

Islam in Belgium

but you can look it up in Wikipedia.

[burnt]

Quite well by the looks of things as reports are that this guy was actually in prison so couldn't have committed these acts - more of your "fake news" LOL. You need to sit back and wait on the facts - thought you'd maybe have learnt that after the Quebec mosque shooting.
Interesting facts about this Izzadeen character though - real name was Trevor Brooks, born in Britain to Christian parents of Jamaican origin. Quick lets ban all Christians from entering the country!

So a wrong name by a British news source throws everything I said out the window?

Nice try at deflection grassy!

Islam is the bane of the earth as this incident shows us once again.

BTW, since you seemed to have missed the question, if it was your farm through which the illegal "migrants" were entering Canada, would you leave your doors unlocked?