Immigration misconceptions

[Oliver88]

Screening is very important.

Another terrorist attack today, this time on a bridge in London!

[burnt]

Grassfarmer, you might believe the Liberal bullcrap that you post, but all you (and a few others) really do is put your rose-colored ignorance on display for all to read.

So the premise you operate on in reaching your incorrect conclusions about the incoming (illegal!) Islamist immigration wave is that since immigration worked in the past, it will work now. If it was held true in the past, it is true in the present, regardless of all the other dynamics that have changed.

There is an immense difference between the current Islamist wave coming in and those before. It was European immigration, with its western values, which made this country what it is. And successive immigration accepted those values - even as they were being weakened by a century of relative ease and departure from their Judeo-Christian basis.

The culture which provided the bedrock for past advancements has been eroded to the point where it cannot withstand the assault being launched by new immigrants - M-103, for example.

M-103 is the beginning of the silent and subtle replacement of those values with an Islamist caliphate.

It is inevitable, based on Muslim birthrates alone.

Thanks to the convoluted and demented Liberal mental processes now at work (one cannot even call it "thinking") our children and grandchildren will soon be growing up with FGM and daily calls to Islamic prayer as a matter of normal course.

Those who see Islam/Islamists as a benign culture like any other are so badly misguided and ignorant that they are a threat to the social benefits and stability that we have enjoyed as a result of what we built over the past 200 years.

It didn't work for them where they are coming from, yet by some wild grasp at logic, grassy expects that it will work out here?

I suggest he be named grass smoker...

[burnt]

Och, Ah dinnae ken, boot issa most like just that IRA wakening again...

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[grassfarmer]

Good point WiltonRanch, I've always felt immigrants ending up in ghettos in Toronto or Vancouver is a bad thing too. Especially given a lot of them were rural people and farmers where they came from. Much better that they repopulate dying rural communities across the prairies where they might find work on farms and contribute kids to dwindling school populations. How to achieve that result though given the most anti-immigrant, anti-incomer attitudes exist in these same rural areas? The immigrants tend to seek the comfort and support of their fellow countrymen when they come to a foreign land. I agree with your aim but don't see how to enable it to happen.

Muslims coming to Canada is nothing new Burnt. Thousands came from Pakistan in 1971, 7000 from Uganda a couple of years later, another 10,000 from Bosnia and Kosova in the 1990s and these were just the refugees not regular immigrants - where is the trail of violence and terrorism they have created in Canada?
Truth is they are thankful to get out of a terrible situation and happily adapt to a peaceful country. Just as German immigrants have not perpetrated a holocaust in Canada, nor Ukranian immigrants a hodomor there is no more reason to think the people fleeing ISIS will inflict it's worst atrocities on Canadians when they move here.

Terrorism is a fact of life, we've dealt with it for generations in Europe and most areas of the world. Threats and attacks can come from many different groups of people with different agendas over the years. Just in North America it seems new since 9/11 and most here still haven't wrapped their head around the concept. It's something you police against and govern against based on the risk presented. Randomly banning whole religions and whole ethnicities based on flawed, biased or non-existant risk assessment is not going to end terrorism I can guarantee that.

[sumdumguy]

Good point WiltonRanch, I've always felt immigrants ending up in ghettos in Toronto or Vancouver is a bad thing too. Especially given a lot of them were rural people and farmers where they came from. Much better that they repopulate dying rural communities across the prairies where they might find work on farms and contribute kids to dwindling school populations. How to achieve that result though given the most anti-immigrant, anti-incomer attitudes exist in these same rural areas? The immigrants tend to seek the comfort and support of their fellow countrymen when they come to a foreign land. I agree with your aim but don't see how to enable it to happen.

Muslims coming to Canada is nothing new Burnt. Thousands came from Pakistan in 1971, 7000 from Uganda a couple of years later, another 10,000 from Bosnia and Kosova in the 1990s and these were just the refugees not regular immigrants - where is the trail of violence and terrorism they have created in Canada?
Truth is they are thankful to get out of a terrible situation and happily adapt to a peaceful country. Just as German immigrants have not perpetrated a holocaust in Canada, nor Ukranian immigrants a hodomor there is no more reason to think the people fleeing ISIS will inflict it's worst atrocities on Canadians when they move here.

Terrorism is a fact of life, we've dealt with it for generations in Europe and most areas of the world. Threats and attacks can come from many different groups of people with different agendas over the years. Just in North America it seems new since 9/11 and most here still haven't wrapped their head around the concept. It's something you police against and govern against based on the risk presented. Randomly banning whole religions and whole ethnicities based on flawed, biased or non-existant risk assessment is not going to end terrorism I can guarantee that.

There's an idea, Grassy - Give them your farm, make them really at home.

[burnt]

Truth is they are thankful to get out of a terrible situation and happily adapt to a peaceful country. Just as German immigrants have not perpetrated a holocaust in Canada, nor Ukranian immigrants a hodomor there is no more reason to think the people fleeing ISIS will inflict it's worst atrocities on Canadians when they move here.

Terrorism is a fact of life, we've dealt with it for generations in Europe and most areas of the world. Threats and attacks can come from many different groups of people with different agendas over the years. Just in North America it seems new since 9/11 and most here still haven't wrapped their head around the concept. It's something you police against and govern against based on the risk presented. Randomly banning whole religions and whole ethnicities based on flawed, biased or non-existant risk assessment is not going to end terrorism I can guarantee that.

They seem to be having trouble adapting to the peace, security and free care in that socialist haven, Sweden and Denmark.

However, you deserve credit for finally acknowledging (as if you had any alternative, in light of the facts) that terrorism follows in the wake of the Islamists(See origin of Marc Lepine). But I, for one, am not prepared to accept it as a fact of life.

And I suppose that since you also admit that immigration must be policed and governed, you agree that those who enter illegally should be imprisoned until they can be expropriated, according to the law of the land?

And speaking of policing them, it appears that the British were allegedly policing today's "Islamist attacker of the day", terrorist Abu Izzadeen for the past 5 years. How did that work out for them?

Are you really starting to come around, now that your province is coming under direct assault?

One final question, if it was your farm that the Islamists were crossing on their illegal entry into Canada, would you lock your doors? (See: Danish/Somali Crime Rates)

[grassfarmer]

And speaking of policing them, it appears that the British were allegedly policing today's "Islamist attacker of the day", terrorist Abu Izzadeen for the past 5 years. How did that work out for them?

Quite well by the looks of things as reports are that this guy was actually in prison so couldn't have committed these acts - more of your "fake news" LOL. You need to sit back and wait on the facts - thought you'd maybe have learnt that after the Quebec mosque shooting.
Interesting facts about this Izzadeen character though - real name was Trevor Brooks, born in Britain to Christian parents of Jamaican origin. Quick lets ban all Christians from entering the country!

[samhill]

I likely can't make this work:

Islam in Belgium

but you can look it up in Wikipedia.

[burnt]

Quite well by the looks of things as reports are that this guy was actually in prison so couldn't have committed these acts - more of your "fake news" LOL. You need to sit back and wait on the facts - thought you'd maybe have learnt that after the Quebec mosque shooting.
Interesting facts about this Izzadeen character though - real name was Trevor Brooks, born in Britain to Christian parents of Jamaican origin. Quick lets ban all Christians from entering the country!

So a wrong name by a British news source throws everything I said out the window?

Nice try at deflection grassy!

Islam is the bane of the earth as this incident shows us once again.

BTW, since you seemed to have missed the question, if it was your farm through which the illegal "migrants" were entering Canada, would you leave your doors unlocked?

[Oliver88]

Radical Islam is the reason for the terrorist attack.
Not race, ethnicity, etc.

Last week in France, this week London.

[grassfarmer]

You really are an embarrassment to what ever religion you claim to be part of Burnt. Nothing worse than the hypocrisy of "strongly religious" people but lying, bigotry, inciting hatred, false accusations are all unashamedly in a days work for you.
Remember the facts from Sweden - not some made up Alt-Right conspiracy theories "The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes." Just like in Canada as shown by the Alberta research.

Nowhere did I state or acknowledge that terrorism follows in the wake of the Islamists - flat out lie from you there.
Another lie is to say I admit that immigration must be policed and governed. I said terrorism must be policed and governed.
Talk about deflection - where is the trail of violence perpetrated by the muslim refugee groups I asked about earlier? Are you advocating a plan to ban Christian immigrants now seeing that the guy you wrongly accused of the London attack was born to Christian immigrants?
I answered the question about locked doors previously and I'm not answering it again - afterall I don't want to advertise the fact to the Canadian born thieves in the area who are most likely to burgle my house.

Which incident in Paris last week Oliver 88? the one on Saturday or the one on Thursday that was by a Greek anarchist movement? Don't think they were "Radical Islam" LOL.
Should point out too that the last terrorist incident in the UK (June 2016), prior to today's, was the murder of a female MP by a right wing extremist. That wasn't "Radical Islam" either.
Some of you need to take a step back from this crazy race hatred that you are fuelling - no good will come of it.

[furrowtickler]

It's not that "refugees " think this is the land of opertunity, it's a land of free hand outs for them.
After the budget just laid out , add the carbon tax and watch what's left your hard earned disposable income disappear. While free bees are handed out to freeloaders of society.

[burnt]

Carry on all you want, Grassy, you are on the wrong path and you know it. You strongly hinted - but didn't want to admit - that Islamic terrorism is something that we are going to have to get used to since 9/11. And you nicely danced by the identity and background of the Montreal massacre. Because that's what your types does while blaming others for spreading fake news, LOL! Who is the liar?

Nice move there, blaming the parents of the Muslim wannabe for his turning to Islam and becoming a threat to his country. Sure blame "Christians" - it's safe because they won't kill you for slandering them. Who is the cowardly bigot?

It was this Trevor chappie that was pictured in an older photo with the guy that went full Islamic on London today, hence the mix-up with names. And since Trevor was in the same cell as today's terrorist, it follows that this guy was also under some form of "policing", as you so delicately call it. Who is spreading fake news?

So how did that "policing" work out for one dead police officer and at least two dead civilians? And a large number of others injured?

What you Liberals seem to overlook is that when Muslim "extremists" do this type of thing, they are simply acting out the exact teachings of Mohammad.

But can you tell us what happens when the followers of Christ carry out his full teaching?

You are also an expert in that other Liberal trick of attaching a false name to a well-founded practice - that of calling a spade a spade.

It has reached the point where the words "hate" or "phobia" have lost their meaning. You don't get to tell others what their emotions are there, grassy!

[grassfarmer]

No Burnt, you either misunderstood or chose to distort my intent - my point was that until 9/11 North America had virtually no experience of terrorism on domestic soil - something that is not true for most of the world.

I didn't "dance" anywhere near the Montreal massacre - why would I? Single white attacker bred in Canada murdered muslim worshippers.

You continue to spread a false narrative that all muslims are the bad guys and the terrorists. The facts prove otherwise. Of the last 10 domestic terrorist events on US soil 3 were by muslims while the other 7 were by whites - 1 Jewish, 2 white supremacists, 1 white anti-gay + anti-abortion, 1 white racist attack on a black community, 1 white anarchist and 1 other non-affiliated white attack. Face it - your home grown, white, right wing extremist friends are a bigger danger than the muslims.

[burnt]

Strange that you see all those you hate of being an existential threat, while the ones you are defending not only made the news again yesterday for their barbarism, but as a ethnic group have committed to the genocide of a nation and the subjugation of all others...

Some nice friends you support, preaching genocide out of their Koran over their Canadian pulpits, if you've been paying attention. How embarrassing.

But have it your way grassy! Your words show yourself to be guilty of the bigotry of low expectations.

But that's the hallmark of the left.