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Last edited by biglentil; Mar 31, 2017, 12:41.
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Originally posted by biglentil View PostIm only looking for a couple thousand gallons enough to treat my water for the year. Blairs carries Ammonia Thiosulphate ATS not Ammonia Sulphate. AMS has a desireable low PH and does a better job of negating the binding effect of hard warter ions from what I understand.
I buy ours at Humboldt coop but went back to buying it in jugs last year because we custom spray and some want it some don't easier to bill
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1. pH is a measure of free hydrogens. Hard water refers to the presence of free cations such as calcium, magnesium and or sodium.
2. Roundup works in a wide range of pH so products like Phix are generally unnecessary. Hence the money grab comment. Retails want to sell farmers addins for glyphosate because margins are so slim on the herbicide.
3. Many farmers put AMS with roundup when it is absolutely not necessary ie, they don't have hard water... expecting an increase in efficacy. AMS helps if you have very hard water or a small number of weed species with elevated calcium levels eg velvet leaf.
4. If you have a reasonably good water source and use proper roundup products with surfactants already included, save your money for a tank mix partner to decrease herbicide resistance.
5. Everything a retail does is to improve margin for themselves. Everything they sell, they upsell to what is best for them profit wise.Last edited by tweety; Apr 1, 2017, 21:54.
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Odd story... We are making a new sprayer nurse tank set-up. Bought a trailer and a new 3500 U.S. gallon tank and was going to fill this thing to see how it carries on the trailer and determine tongue weight. Well we don't have our filter and hose set up to suck water from our Department of Highways dug out yet and I was going to go to the town water plant and fill it there(No chemical ever on this set up, so safe to do so but would never do it after the chem handler has been mounted to the trailer or once put into active service). $117.00 to fill the tank with water, LMAO.... to possibly dump it again. Mind you, it "is" Reverse Osmosis water. $1 per 25 Imperial gallons(113 liters).
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Here is a good article on glyphosate and AMS. It is very very important you realize roundup in the states is very different than roundup in Canada.
But i'm sure many will claim AMS has a benefit.
[URL="http://fieldcropnews.com/2012/12/should-ammonium-sulfate-be-added-to-glyphosate/"]http://fieldcropnews.com/2012/12/should-ammonium-sulfate-be-added-to-glyphosate/[/URL]
Note the levels of very hard water that showed almost no difference with AMS. You can almost stand on 1800 ppm.
BTW, according to the water quality association 180 ppm is considered hard water. This is tested at ten times that level.Last edited by tweety; Apr 1, 2017, 22:10.
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For glyphosate, neighbor of ours used to use softened deep well water....and a low gpa water rate....and I don't know what else he put in the tank but did he smoke weeds....even established absinthe.
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