humate humic acid

[tweety]

What's the difference between humic acid components that i buy in a jug vs the ones produced from decomposing crop residues that produce, well, humic acid.

[Jagfarms]

I have a friend / nabour who tried the liquid Activ 12 in 2016 and was very happy with the results



Has anyone else tried the liquid Activ 12 or 24?

I think the granular would work better but we are not set up for granular at this time

[biglentil]

Sorry don't have time to run an experimental farm for every new product that comes out. This is why we have public funded research and producer checkoffs. This thread was very useful to me. Since nobody can produce any meaningful data this product will be filed in the sake oil drawer.

You're welcome to wait on industry funded test results if you are too big and important to have time.

[Braveheart]

Tweety can wait 44 million years to make his own humate, and bgmb you can file humates into a snake oil drawer because it's your choice. In a free country you can make that choice, no use in arguing, just use it or don't. We use the product, we're using foliar and are working towards using granular (just not set up yet). We see the results I mentioned earlier as well as crops that can withstand pesticides better.

[blackpowder]

Thank you Braveheart. If it works for you, awesome. Interesting. My soils are ph 5.5.

About "experts". I think it detrimental that society in general discounting accredited scientists overall. Scientists are not blameless in this.
Applies to all disciplines. (In the extreme would be anti vaxers.)
Climate change all in the wording. And crop products suffer from salesmanship to conditions where they dont pay. (The majority)
If your smart enough to survive this long and you say it pays for you great. And your smart enuf not to sell it as a miracle blanket.

Leaving with this thought.
Yup, I'll probly use this quote again.
"The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."
Bertrand Russell

[bgmb]

Thank you Braveheart. If it works for you, awesome. Interesting. My soils are ph 5.5.

About "experts". I think it detrimental that society in general discounting accredited scientists overall. Scientists are not blameless in this.
Applies to all disciplines. (In the extreme would be anti vaxers.)
Climate change all in the wording. And crop products suffer from salesmanship to conditions where they dont pay. (The majority)
If your smart enough to survive this long and you say it pays for you great. And your smart enuf not to sell it as a miracle blanket.

Leaving with this thought.
Yup, I'll probly use this quote again.
"The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."
Bertrand Russell

I have a better saying.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Have a nice day.

[Jay-mo]

Tried some Ligno Humate on Faller wheat. Applied with Prosaro at flowering.
Replicated 3 times in alternating swaths of applied and check, weighed in cart. +1.8 bu. humate.
Protein was .2 higher on the humate and vomi was the same.
I'm planning to do another trial this year but I think most would agree that 1.8 bushels extra falls into the inconclusive category.

[bgmb]

Tried some Ligno Humate on Faller wheat. Applied with Prosaro at flowering.
Replicated 3 times in alternating swaths of applied and check, weighed in cart. +1.8 bu. humate.
Protein was .2 higher on the humate and vomi was the same.
I'm planning to do another trial this year but I think most would agree that 1.8 bushels extra falls into the inconclusive category.

Thanks for sharing

[farmaholic]

"Not Statistically Significant".?.?.?.?.

Maybe IHARF(Indian Head Agricultural Research Foundation) would like to conduct some trials. They seem to do good work.

Maybe we should all get together and buy the product for them to test, that way there would be no bias.

[tweety]

How about the "companies peddling the stuff" pay for it and do proper trials.

Well bgmb, your original question was if there were proper trials. Seems the answer is no.