A sledgehammer to the Cdn dairy industry

[blackpowder]

IFarm. What is the tax difference between fuel here to down south? Big oil said "ya Canuck govt stupid so we'll hose em" but not the US. IF must stand for inferiority complex.


Like I said. I am torn on this one. A farm sector with a guarenteed margin paid for by consumer is great but is it really sustainable. Smaller guys here getting out of dairy too.
Is milk the last protected un different commodity? I've got no skin in this one. My principles cant be different for milk and wheat.
If central control was best we'd all drive Ladas and Belarus.

[chuckChuck]

Getting rid of supply management and the protection from imports will guarantee most of the farms and industry will be gone with a flood of cheaper imports. This will include alot of the jobs and spin off benefits. If Trump is in favour of protecting american jobs and industries why can't Canada?

There should be nothing wrong with protecting and promoting domestic production and consumption of basic food items. Americans subsidize their dairy farmers and other farms with relatively rich subsidies compared to Canada. Are we asking them to stop subsidizing their farmers? We don't have to give everything away in this country do we? And we are likely get **** all in return.

[macdon02]

Why doesn't the fact CAD is at .74 ever get addressed when talking about US subsidies? Our weaker currency is a subsidy on exports to the tune of 25% how many dollars in govt programs would it take cover that?

[sumdumguy]

The taxpayer is going to pay for all the inflated quota and the industry will be gone. Its a lot cheaper raising cattle where temperatures are more temperate. Maybe settling the Great White North was never meant to be, we are living with the consequences. 😎

[Braveheart]

The question, if it goes, is, will it improve Canada's trade position? For all these years we've been talking out of both sides of our mouth. We wanted unfettered access to other countries markets but yet maintained this barrier on dairy, chicken, etc into Canada. Can we be strong enough on anti dumping rules as well?

[chuckChuck]

Many countries if not most of our trading partners have some protectionist measures in some form. I don't think smaller countries have the same bargaining power when it comes to the scale of their industries. We often give up a lot for little gain. According to JT The US has a $400 million dollar trade surplus for dairy with Canada. So who is actually gaining from the from the current arrangement. Is not the 300 million consumer market in the US not enough for them to have a good dairy industry?

[chuckChuck]

Why doesn't the fact CAD is at .74 ever get addressed when talking about US subsidies? Our weaker currency is a subsidy on exports to the tune of 25% how many dollars in govt programs would it take cover that?

currencies are traded in an open market. Our currency is very much tied to the value of commodities. Especially oil. We have very little room to move the value a whole lot. Do you really want a dollar at par as an exporter? I don't. We would all take a shit kicking on prices.

[15444]

Walked up to grocery counter 2 weeks ago with 3 gallons of milk. Older cashier in disbelief.

"How many kids do you have?!"
"None"
"Wow!! - How long does 3 gallons last you?"
"A week - I drink about 1/2 gallon a day"
"That's amazing! Nobody buys that amount of milk anymore. Even people with families. Too expensive - everything is either water or pop. Maybe juice."
"Oh that doesn't surprise me at all - I was the only guy (or gal) in university years ago that kept a jug of milk in the fridge at all times. Apparently it was expensive and beer was cheap."

[WiltonRanch]

Walked up to grocery counter 2 weeks ago with 3 gallons of milk. Older cashier in disbelief.

"How many kids do you have?!"
"None"
"Wow!! - How long does 3 gallons last you?"
"A week - I drink about 1/2 gallon a day"
"That's amazing! Nobody buys that amount of milk anymore. Even people with families. Too expensive - everything is either water or pop. Maybe juice."
"Oh that doesn't surprise me at all - I was the only guy (or gal) in university years ago that kept a jug of milk in the fridge at all times. Apparently it was expensive and beer was cheap."

That's the sad flipping truth. Hear stories from northern native communities where kids teeth are ****ed because it's cheaper to feed the kids Pepsi instead of milk. Or you get these crunchy Eco nuts who malign dairy products while sippin on a diet coke or what not putting a bunch of fake manufactured shit into their bodies. That said if places like Saudi Arabia go to insane expense to irrigate desert and build shade across thousands of acres so they can be self sufficient in milk production tells one how important the nourishment of milk is.

[Blaithin]

The price of milk and families not affording it would be more addressed if milk sales were allowed off farm, as said previously.

Think that would open huge doors for general consumer purchasing, awareness and knowledge. And probably food poisoning on some level as well...

And if that did become legal, it's not like the market is all of a sudden going to become flooded with cheap raw milk to the detriment of the industry anyway.

[grassfarmer]

The question, if it goes, is, will it improve Canada's trade position? For all these years we've been talking out of both sides of our mouth. We wanted unfettered access to other countries markets but yet maintained this barrier on dairy, chicken, etc into Canada. Can we be strong enough on anti dumping rules as well?

Name a country who doesn't want it both ways. This very action by Trump demonstrates that - talk of Amerka first - taking a protectionist stance against imports yet trying to bully other countries into accepting more US exports.

[Braveheart]

Name one country? How about New Zealand. Dumped a heavily subsided dairy industry. Now free to negotiate trade with less of argent on their backs.