The case for a carbon tax (and refund system)

[Braveheart]

But Chuck, reducing emissions won't fix climate change only slow future change. According to the Chicken Littles of the world it's already too late.

What is needed is ways to sequester the carbon out there. Will a carbon tax plant one tree? Nope. The opposite. Farmers will need even more acres to survive so land clearing will increase.

[blackpowder]

Notice Chuck's observation re "the problem is the poverty, not the price."
Quite logical really. But notice how he wants to eradicate poverty through the highest attainable price.
ala Norway. Seems to me farmers, are by the numbers, in the "upper"class. Where's our heart? Where's our sense of social justice?
I have a farming neighbor who could be writing this stuff. He certainly practices what he preaches.
Good citizen. But can the govt over time shape everyone's mindset to be the same? Or just tax them all into the same bracket.
Govt can then decide what size farm qualifies etc. Also how estates are transferred.

Just think, with legal pot, $15/gal hippie raised milk and equal access to everything.....paradise.
But no one will care or know the difference.

[fjlip]

Climate is TOO F*CKING COLD, screw all the bullshit. Put up your hand, WHO wants it COLDER?
Is there any government in the world that has their citizen's best interests at heart?
Are there ANY statesmen/women?
I see none, nobody is happy, all citizens are divided on all issues.

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Interesting question (maybe not smart): cc. -If the price of oil reached $200 per barrel next month, would the world use more oil or less oil?

On a individual basis,. according to a friend who answered this question for himself during the $140 and higher barrel days, he filled his vehicle up at the pump, and thought, this is a lot of money for a fill up. Then, he went to the post office, and found his monthly oil royalty cheque had arrived. and realized that it had gone up substantially more. Needless to say, his response was to let the gas price go to whatever level it wanted.

As a socialist, cc., how would you control a guy like this?

Interesting question fjlip: Who wants it colder?

Not me. Thankfully, no one can control the weather, or the climate. They can tinker, but the beat goes on.
The world will see that a warmer planet will not do in the human race. If you want to worry, be very afraid of a cold planet.

[grassfarmer]

Chuck your comment Ag will have to do things to reduce emissions.

WTF is my comment. And WTF have we been doing since 1981. Direct seeding has caused our farm to go from work in fall, work in spring seed and harrow to one pass. Using 4 times less diesel. Then were strait cutting our crops which have cut down on harvest diesel. Our tractors are all DEF and that has added a great cost to our farm for air pollution controls.

Yet a city genius like you thinks we have to do more as farmers are you F$%King kidding me.

How about paying me the true value of what we have done with Carbon sink and not making up bull shit that its just a small amount.

This is a liberal tax grab and wealth redistribution.

Once again SF3 your stories waver - one pass eh? what about all the tales of "working it black" with your Kelly harrow as the only way to go? And you commute from the city to the farm on a daily basis in a one ton diesel - i'm sure you could reduce your fuel bill and emissions quite a bit right there. Tough being a PTO. In reality even if everyone had adopted zero-till in 1981 the emissions from the increase in fertiliser usage since then would likely have negated any savings.

[SASKFARMER3]

Your a moron aren't you! Way less than we use to do! Unless when we used horses! That's your only answer god your grasping at straws!

[sofa.king]

Chuck you must be a unionized citing or a recent I'm mag rant because you know *** all about agriculture. You lefties forget where we live and we need carbon to survive in this climate maybe you should move to Greece and see how a country full of people like you can run a country into bankruptcy with all their leftist rules.

[sofa.king]

Damn spellcheck I hate it. It should be citiots as idiot from the city and immigrant.

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Don't let gas upset you, SF3.

I believe there is no human in gas, only a vapour bot. Captcha proves it. Otherwise you would have seen a climate friendly body walking in front of his cows with a chop pail to lead his animals to pasture rather than a machine.

Climate bots use the word "likely" in many of their sentences. It means they are uncertain.

[westernvicki]

Administrative nightmare = more jobs in government administration = more votes = better job creation numbers, plus and a cheque in the mail for a few = more gratitude = more votes. Take a dollar give a dime, (its part of the job creation strategy after all) tax the job creators, any movers and shakers, they are the minority after all. Carbon Tax has a better value chain for a politician. Good luck with the political appointment moving on up chuck
chuck.

Worst possible scenario for Canada, but otherwise, " Glory be. "

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[URL="https://www.agriville.com/threads/33897-farming-causes-global-warming"]https://www.agriville.com/threads/33897-farming-causes-global-warming[/URL]

Grassfarmer just confirmed what we already knew - he showed one of two things - he is a useful idiot who believes what the elites are telling him, or, he is actually working for them.

Either way, when you start with a false premise, nothing you do thereafter matters - all conclusions are wrong.

Some thought-provoking stuff in this production, and it confirms what many have wondered but are afraid to consider because of its gravity. It also offers a solution:

[grassfarmer]

Please yourself. You can either be involved in the discussion and shaping the future or you can remain ignored on the lunatic fringe. A carbon tax is coming and the more say we have in it's design the better.
Darrin Qualman has come up with a framework of how a carbon tax might be operated and is trying to get the best deal possible for farmers out of it. Where are the other producer representative groups and what are their suggestions?