The case for a carbon tax (and refund system)

[burnt]

Please yourself. You can either be involved in the discussion and shaping the future or you can remain ignored on the lunatic fringe. A carbon tax is coming and the more say we have in it's design the better.
Darrin Qualman has come up with a framework of how a carbon tax might be operated and is trying to get the best deal possible for farmers out of it. Where are the other producer representative groups and what are their suggestions?

Discussions with idiots are seldom productive.

But the idiot feels fulfilled.

[sofa.king]

So grassy you say farmers should just bend over and take it because trudeau is going to give it to us whether we want it or not. Last time I checked that is called ****.

[westernvicki]

I do agree with the point: where are farm organizations on this issue. How much time was spent on a strategy and a list of ultimatums. Is there a strategy? Do we have a bargaining committee? Is there a bus?

[biglentil]

Grassy you should stay on the beef forum. Do you see any of us bad mouthing your beef industry?

[Braveheart]

Qualman has company in KAP. Dan Mazier has a boggy farm and it's our fault because of climate change. Yes, Qualman and KAP are holding us down for the Trudeau assault.

I think the Wheat Growers are the only ones standing up for farmers and opposing the carbon tax. They'd rather see farmers not transfer their wealth off to I dunno where. Maybe astrologists?

As far as a carbon tax coming, MB and SK should use the notwithstanding clause to opt out of any forced federal scheme. If QC can do it on language it can be used for something as damaging as a carbon tax. Wouldn't that be a kick in JT's nuts. Using Pierre's constitution to screw the son's crappy plan.

[grassfarmer]

Thus far the strategy seems to be denial as evidenced by Western Wheat Growers - but hey, at least they have voiced an opinion which is more than most have done. KAP and the NFU recognize the inevitability of the tax and the need to be in fighting to get the best deal possible for the farmer.

[Braveheart]

The continuation of the CWB was inevitable too. Look how that turned out.

[grassfarmer]

Grassy you should stay on the beef forum. Do you see any of us bad mouthing your beef industry?

Yes, I've seen plenty bad mouthing, with you being one of the main culprits. However I don't see this as a beef versus grain issue. It involves all in agriculture - I use fuel and machinery and manage land so am as just as involved and impacted as anyone.

[sofa.king]

Why label ag as a big polluter when all we are doing is trying to feed the world there is just a few days of food supply in the world of 9 billion people and growing. Only a true idiot would tax food producers and the same idiots will be the first to whine when there is food shortages.

[stonepicker]

With all due respect grassfarmer, you should be spending your time and efforts lobbying the enviromentalists because they've got your cow's ass squarely in their sights.

[blackpowder]

The farm
income crisis is the result of wealth
extraction by powerful agribusi-
ness corporations. Farmers have
two problems: high emissions and
high costs. Curbing input use can
help solve both. A carbon tax-and-
refund system can help reduce
emissions, increase incomes, and
save family farms.
Darrin Qualman

2/3way thru the read knew it was a nfu oped.
Lets stop buying fertilizer. Brilliant.
Collection and redistribution by govt. Cost free???
Lets go back to 1926?? Right....
That whole paper is a Pravda.

Heres what will save family farms.
Not becoming wealthy by selling them!!! Penalizing wealth is the perfect way to save the small farm.

When did being free go out of style??

[grassfarmer]

With all due respect grassfarmer, you should be spending your time and efforts lobbying the enviromentalists because they've got your cow's ass squarely in their sights.

No point in lobbying environmentalists stonepicker they don't make the rules - the Government does. So a little targeted lobbying of people in positions of power re any misconceptions they might have about cattle and their effect on the environment. I can, and do, lobby for that but in reality this is only a small and relatively insignificant part of the larger and more important discussion around climate change/ it's affect on agriculture and a carbon tax.