Why is Canada different?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Interesting timing on this thread, I've been reading the book The Birth of Prosperity How the Modern World was Created Which is about this very subject. It basically agrees with the picture at the beginning of the thread. Really interesting read, I reccommend it.

[burnt]

Interesting timing on this thread, I've been reading the book The Birth of Prosperity How the Modern World was Created Which is about this very subject. It basically agrees with the picture at the beginning of the thread. Really interesting read, I recommend it.

AF5, I just recently got the book you refer to - I think! If it's the same book, the title is "The Birth of Plenty, How the Prosperity Of The Modern World Was created.", by William J. Bernstein. It is a worthwhile read.

He says the four crucial elements of prosperity are property rights, scientific rationalism, effective capital markets and efficient transport and communication.

Bernstein says the the per-capita, world-wide GDP was basically stagnant until 1000AD when it climbed slowly from about 1500 to 1800 when it exploded higher. It was then that for the first time in history that all those 4 factors coincided.

On his premise, it shows why it is so important to protect all four of those elements.

[grassfarmer]

He is Scottish.

Yeah, but he has a lot of crazy views, always has.

[Integrity_Farmer]

The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a advocacy group based in Washington DC with long ties to tobacco disinformation campaigns and more recently to climate change denial. It calls itself "a non-profit, non-partisan research and advocacy institute dedicated to the principles of free enterprise and limited government.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

The CEI is an AstroTurf organization funded by big business and they have attacked the US Affordable Health Care Act and Challenges to the Dodd-Frank Act and financial regulation

You may want to look at your source before you post this garbage on here. Do a little research

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

BP I was commenting on your choice of copying the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Where are you getting that garbage from? You are who you associate with.

The (CEI) is a advocacy group based in Washington DC with long ties to tobacco disinformation campaigns and more recently to climate change denial. It calls itself "a non-profit, non-partisan research and advocacy institute dedicated to the principles of free enterprise and limited government.

I think we have the ability in Canada to come up with our own solutions not some meaningless rhetoric from this US think tank whose donors include the Koch brothers.

[foragefarmer]

Hell of a concept this "Competitive Enterprise Institute" has come up with. Twenty million suffering from famine, most countries are run by dictators, and the rest have terrorists groups raising havoc and they come up this. Nothing like stating the obviously!

For those of you feeling that you got it so bad here in Canada, which country in Africa would you choose to raise your family in or farm in?


Caseih

When Martin was running for re-election as PM did you ever vote for him, or did you you mark your X for Harper? I'll bet you voted for Stevie as he had so much job experience on his resume, and now you complain about Trudeau.

[blackpowder]

Well pardon me. I should abstain from copying and pasting. Apologies for not vetting source. A thought or question is ony valid in and of itself if posted by a qualifed source. Good thing Jesus went to Yale. Only original thoughts should be posted I guess.
I keep telling myself that politics aside we could probably have a cordial connection over drinks. But I've bulshitted myself before.
Today college boys rallied for support. Some oblivious as to why theyre not always listened to. I submit that we have examples before us.
A few more ozs and I might even tell you how I really feel.

[foragefarmer]

Nothing wrong with the cut and paste just the remark(s) that followed. Yes Canada has issues, but throwing it in the same sentence as Africa is truly asinine! That's where the issue lies!


As for having drinks together, this is only a chat line, besides in most cases the more people drink the more belligerent they get, and like you said "a few more ozs and I might tell you how I really feel". Not worth the risk and therefore would never happen!

[burnt]

Good thread you started, blackpowder. Africa is a mess and getting worse. My daughter works in an African pediatrics ward in back-country hospital where electricity is rather unreliable, so their critical equipment - i.e.: the oxygen concentrator - doesn't always run when needed. Last last week they lost 5 babies in five days partially due to not being able to give them oxygen.

It could be summarized by saying that they (the Africans) seem to have a different work ethic and level of motivation than we westerners have. Thus, goals are lower and outcomes are compromised. And it nearly rips the soul out of my daughter, as she tells us of the pain and frustration from eight thousand miles away. She speaks of working in a disparate world that we can barely imagine. She also has several years of experience working in a hospital here in Ontario where the levels of redundancy are amazing - what a contrast.

So it's hard to isolate the fundamental problem over there.

What is disturbing is that our system has peaked and is deteriorating. Government interference is increasing while rights and productivity are on the decline as a Marxist mindset wraps its tentacles around the pot-damaged minds of today's post-secondary graduates.

Such a neuro-compromised child is now the "leader" of our country, bringing with him predictable results. His greatest legacy will likely be either flinging the doors open to the Muslim invasion or perhaps legalizing the bong that turned him into the mush brain that he is.

So our leadership transitioned from someone whose general policies made Canada the envy of the world in many ways, to a bong-banger that is creating a nightmarish network of legislation that couldn't be better designed to destroy a country and turn it into a 3rd world hellhole.

And THAT, foragefarmer, is why some who exercise a bit of critical thinking are disturbed by what we see happening to our homeland. It's not that other countries have it better, it's just that we recognize what we have, how we got it and would like to keep what we have.

But it only takes a few determined degenerates in the rights places to destroy a good thing.

[chuckChuck]

So burnt your province disproportionately benefits from subsidies and bailouts given to the auto industry by successive liberal and conservative governments including Harper.

Your province also disproportionately benefits a lot from supply managed industries such as dairy and poultry.

As a farmer you also likely receive direct subsidies.

These are the hallmarks of socialist state intervention in the economy which you dislike so much?

Not to mention you and your family benefit from socialized medicine.

In the eyes of many american republicans you are a socialist or a communist.

[stonepicker]

So burnt your province disproportionately benefits from subsidies and bailouts given to the auto industry by successive liberal and conservative governments including Harper.

Your province also disproportionately benefits a lot from supply managed industries such as dairy and poultry.

As a farmer you also likely receive direct subsidies.

These are the hallmarks of socialist state intervention in the economy which you dislike so much?

Not to mention you and your family benefit from socialized medicine.

In the eyes of many american republicans you are a socialist or a communist.

Gee, and i always thought burnt was a good guy! Now i find out from the professor of knowledge that he's a communist. Amazing how some like cc have developed such a warped sense of reality and truth.

[burnt]

So burnt your province disproportionately benefits from subsidies and bailouts given to the auto industry by successive liberal and conservative governments including Harper.

Your province also disproportionately benefits a lot from supply managed industries such as dairy and poultry.

As a farmer you also likely receive direct subsidies.

These are the hallmarks of socialist state intervention in the economy which you dislike so much?

Not to mention you and your family benefit from socialized medicine.

In the eyes of many american republicans you are a socialist or a communist.

It's unclear what point you are trying to make with your useless generalizations and incorrect assumptions. Like a typical Liberal, you resort to blowing smoke to try to obscure reality.

How do you think your response changes any of the facts I've stated?

And furthermore, it would be interesting to see you explain how completely unaffordable, short-term goals (bailouts) are actually a benefit to our province, or country, when the poison-pill price tag on these nihilistic policies will be borne by our kids and grandkids.

[chuckChuck]

Facts? LOL. Don't confuse facts with political views.

[chuckChuck]

Why don't you ask Steve Harper why he bailed out the auto industry? Why just not let them all leave Ontario for Alabama, Mexico or China?

[burnt]

Facts? LOL. Don't confuse facts with political views.

LOL is right! That statement is pretty rich coming from you! LOL!

What makes you think that I supported everything that Harper did? I AM saying that his government keep Canada on a track that kept us in good shape when the rest of the world was in a financial spin.

Is it really that hard to see the the auto industry - in fact, most industry in Canada- is uncompetitive because of the multitudinous layers of socialist rules and regulations that have buried them?

For that reason, there is no bailout remedy that can save it until the underlying cause is addressed.

Good luck with that since the communist mindset of people like you will never allow that to happen until the system can no longer support itself. Even then, the Greek example shows that the corpse can kick for a long time.

But after a while, it's as effective as stocking the cemetery with defibrillators.

[foragefarmer]

Burnt


"What makes you think that I supported everything that Harper did? I AM saying that his government keep Canada on a track that kept us in good shape when the rest of the world was in a financial spin."


Bullshit to you, it was Paul Martin who prevent the Canadian Banks from falling into the trap that so many major world wide banks fell into! In fact Closet Boy Stevie who was the opposition leader at the time fought tooth and nail against Martin's wise decision all the way. So don't give the credit to Stevie!

Burnt, as for you supporting Harper, just who the hell do you think you are fooling, you put the X during election time for Harper!