The only people who dislike this weather less than farmers are:

[sofa.king]

It's funny how scientists know exactly how warm and much carbon was in the atmosphere millions of years ago but they can't predict weather with any accuracy 1 or 2 days out but we should believe climate change bullshit 100%.

[burnt]

It's funny how scientists know exactly how warm and much carbon was in the atmosphere millions of years ago but they can't predict weather with any accuracy 1 or 2 days out but we should believe climate change bullshit 100%.

It's actually kinda amusing when you put it that way. :-)

[blackpowder]

Pre history theories have changed and evolved many times in the last century. But this time we are so absolutely correct that any questions invoke complete scorn. Sounds like some would rather be heros of the world for leading the way. Me I'd rather keep my standard of living secure while participating.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

GrassFarmer and ChuckChuck, I suppose I didn't really expect you to read my disclaimer about weather vs. climate, and obviously you disregarded it. I said nothing about global climate or temperatures, just local observable conditions which we all have to tolerate, and against which we are constantly preached about changing our evil ways. Few of us have travelled enough, or been alive long enough to comprehend global climate change, but we all know the conditions out our front door every day, days like today even more so.

And on days like today, I offer my respect and sympathies to people such as yourself who want to tell the rest of us that this type of weather is preferable to warmer. Put aside science, global views, historical context, etc. because none of that helps a cold wet calf born in snow in the end of April, and go tell a Canadian farmer that he needs to sacrifice because this is better, not an enviable job.

It is likely a much easier sell if you happen to be in Bangladesh, they would be very open to the idea of Canadian farmers sacrificing, and sending money there, to a place where warming would be a genuine threat, but you've chosen instead to educate Canadian farmers, not an enviable position on a day like today, you get full points for not choosing the easy road.

[chuckChuck]

There is very little point discussing this issue when many of you don't believe in science and evidence based decision making.

[chuckChuck]

So when gas prices were 1.50 per liter was your standard of living reduced significantly? I think the oil patch and Alberta were pretty happy when oil was over $100 per barrel and gas was 1.50. Were you expressing the same kind of concern about consumers transfer of wealth to the oil industry and the loss in disposable income? Or was that okay?

[sumdumguy]

Just heard the term, "garbagehead". What do you think that means Grassfarmer?

[Blaithin]

I don't like the term Global Warming. It allows people an opening to focus on a narrow perspective.

The proper term is Climate Change.

Now nobody can deny the climate changes by itself, we know that. What I don't get is how anyone can even begin to try and think that people haven't contributed to it this time around. Within pretty much 200 years, a very short period of time relatively speaking, look at all the aerosols and gases we've released in the name of progress and convenience. The world cannot react to fast changes well, that's why the theorized meteor wiped out dinosaurs and why Vesuvius had such a global impact when it erupted and why the ice age saw the extinction of many species. Evolution doesn't happen fast enough for the speed of the change at times, and we're contributing to speeding up the change. That's all but that's enough for many ecosystems.

Just look at the effect we've had on bacteria and their resistance and we've only been using antibiotics in wider use since what, the 40's or 50's?

Or how about a farmer metaphor. A nice, healthy pasture that can handle 20 cows and has 20 cows on it is productive and beautiful. Put 1000 cows on that pasture and it's destroyed. Now apply that to the population of people and the Earth. Not all changes are visible to the naked eye, just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

You can leave the politics out of it, because everyone has different opinions on how to handle things, but to deny we're having an effect on climate is an act of blindness and denial to me.

[fjlip]

It's funny how scientists know exactly how warm and much carbon was in the atmosphere millions of years ago but they can't predict weather with any accuracy 1 or 2 days out but we should believe climate change bullshit 100%.

Absolutey!!!, Total F*CKING BULLSHIT LIES And biggest IDIOTS is those swallowing the SHIT!

"Then think about the rest of the world - places where they may hit 37C more often instead of 30C and where hundreds of millions live by subsistence agriculture."

I thought the crooks are screaming about a DEGREE or TWO, now you are up to 7?

[seldomseen]

There is very little point discussing this issue when many of you don't believe in science and evidence based decision making.

Your right Chucky talking to you is like banging your head against a wall. You keep saying we don't listen to peer reviewed science when it was Michael Mann and the IPCC that never bothered with peer review when they can up with their stupid hockey stick graph that was proven a fraud.

[Guest]

There is very little point discussing this issue when many of you don't believe in science and evidence based decision making.

for once I agree with you , can't figure out why people argue with you . you completely disregard any science on the other side . only the science of the acid rain/global warming/climate change money making machine count to you . arguing with you is a complete waste of time and frankly I am sick of being called a "denier" . farmers are probably some of the most environmentally friendly people on the earth and I am sick of listening to it . tell it to the assholes in the city with their 5000 sq ft houses for 4 people and their 4wd suv's that get 15 mpg . tell it to the assholes that leave all the lights on in 20 story office buildings 24/7 . tell it to that asshole that goes around spouting off how bad everyone else is while he heats FOUR f$&King houses and flies around in a private jet . All these pricks are probably going to get their way because Canada has become a country of f$&King idiots , and when our standard of living is reduced to sfa , they will be whining the loudest because most of them are useless. me , I can heat with wood , still can shoot and gut a moose , grow my own food or catch and clean a fish . yea, I'll do ok . The people that are trying to do this thing had better realize all the money they are making on this scam will be worth sfa if their starving and the grocery store is empty

[sofa.king]

When oil was 150 we were getting 10 bucks a bushel for durum now we're about half that so yes we were better off but only a bullshit artist would use that as an example.
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[AlbertaFarmer5]

There is very little point discussing this issue when many of you don't believe in science and evidence based decision making.

Chuck I think we can both agree that science isn't something that needs to be believed. Myths, religions, Fish stories, locker room talk, fortunetellers, ideologies, These all require belief, science only requires evidence and the opportunity to prove or disprove. Belief is required when something can't be proven or disproven unlike science. Much like how concensus doesn't fit in with the scientific method.

[Hamloc]

So when gas prices were 1.50 per liter was your standard of living reduced significantly? I think the oil patch and Alberta were pretty happy when oil was over $100 per barrel and gas was 1.50. Were you expressing the same kind of concern about consumers transfer of wealth to the oil industry and the loss in disposable income? Or was that okay?

My first thought Chuck is that oil peaked at 147 a barrel and gas at 1.50 a litre. Today oil is $50 a barrel and gas $1.08 a litre. Doesn't add up we are getting gouged somewhere by the oil companies or taxes. Now natural gas at the present carbon tax level in Alberta of $20 a tonne it is $1.01 a gigajoule which cost me $63 for heating in Feb. Now imagine 10 times that at $200 a tonne or $630 dollars for 1 month just in carbon tax. Could we afford to dry grain? As for your question about the profits going to oil companies. When they are making money they are hiring people stimulating economic activity. Increasing taxes and giving it to government does exactly the opposite. It slows economic activity and employment and that is one way to cut C02 emissions with less economic activity. When I look at my farm I could reduce how much C02 I produce with my cows by changing some of my management practices. On the grain side I try to select my equipment on fuel efficiency and I think it would be tough to get much leaner. As for the much lauded science there is no point in debating it you and I will never agree. I will only say that the IPCC is as much about politics as it is science. One question though, did you see the pictures of Obama's latest vacation on that big yacht down in the tropics was it solar powered lol? He doesn't seem to worried about the climate! A lot of hypocrisy at the top.

[danny W1M]

Agrivillers, ever notice that when predictions, that these envirozealots have made, based on their own constructed computer models, fail to come true as they have predicted, they're not happy for the world!

The dire results they convinced the public, politicians and children, that were going to happen around the world are nowhere near what they predicted, by scale or timeline,,,,,they never seem to be happy or rejoice that their predictions failed and things aren't as bad as they predicted.

When these leftists, tree hugging, environazis get good news because their predictions have failed, they're still not happy!

Yes,,,I can call all you leftists', "environazis",,,,for just as long as you continue to call anyone who questions the junk science,,,"deniers".