Durum export prices

[stonepicker]

Kinger

My neighbor had the company that bought his grain come out and sample the bins themselves.....they still tried to **** him over....asking if it's the bins they sampled.....

Yes the grain cos will try to **** you every which way to Sunday. ...it's a fact.

Who samples bins anymore? Only reason for that is because the farmer was too lazy to take samples of EVERY load. I agree with kinger, what are some of you actually doing?

[biglentil]

Who samples bins anymore? Only reason for that is because the farmer was too lazy to take samples of EVERY load. I agree with kinger, what are some of you actually doing?

You guys dont have a sniff and obviously not been played by the Durum games.

[bucket]

Nope the grainco came and sampled themselves because the farmer took load samples and they didn't trust his samples. ...then they were botching about moisture. ...

[Oliver88]

Text messages are starting to appear looking for durum.

Maybe the buyers are starting to get worried about their supply.

[farmaholic]

Wow, now i remember why i stopped posting on here. Everyone here thinks there a victim and should have your hands held all the way to school.

Every grainco is not out to screw over farmers in every way. Yeah there are some bad apples but how many times are you selling your grain to them. If that is over once i'd be surprised.

If you are not clear on what you are selling your grain for that is on you. Not the grainco they honestly want your grain to come in like what they bought it because that is what they are planning on. If you think someone is trying to screw you over put in a grade dispute with the CGC. That is what it is there for and here is a link for how too.

https://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/services-services/subject-sous/dispute-grain-grade.html

Not everyone is out to get you. If you lost out because your grain came in different than the grade sheet take it and talk to your Grain Buyer. Work something out. Don't whine and say they are out to get you.

And there is part of the problem. There is little consistency in the subjective grading(hand picking for fusarium) and the vomitoxin testing that is occuring. "Harvest samples submitted don't match deliveries"....well take into account the inconsistencies and it's not hard to figure out where part of the problem lies. And it's always easier to blame the "sample".
How easy is it to skew a vomi test with a bad(or good) grab? That minute amount of grain being used to test for DON levels in a much MUCH larger quantity.

Somewhere here I saw it said Graincos want to handle your grain... because they make their money on turns... well there is as much if not alot more money to be made on price spreads and grade spreads than what was considered elevation fees in the old system.

Good to have open and honest dialog....

[sumdumguy]

Agree Farmaholic. I blame the government. The CGC should have the situation under CONTROL. When grading is a joke, what can one do?

[danny W1M]

Grain companies are adding more to their bottom line from Currency Exchange than elevation fees.
At the close last night December MGE Wheat was $7.83 1/4, even with our improved dollar the value( $0.79.00us ) in CAD's would equal $9.79 CAD/bus.
Easy to hide the exchange rate when it's hidden in the basis. I don't see elevation charges listed on my tickets anymore, everything is in the basis.

[farming101]

Good to track basis and prices expressed in CAD
July 12/17

[Kinger]

Agree Farmaholic. I blame the government. The CGC should have the situation under CONTROL. When grading is a joke, what can one do?

Ok honest question, what will it take to have grading be ok with you? Grade the entire truck kernel by kernel? Vomi isn't a grading factor but graincos do take it into account. Should it be an official one? You can't have a load refused right now because of vomi but most graincos arn't doing vomi tests on each load just samples.

[farmaholic]

Another very good point Kinger, re Vomitoxin. I brought it up this winter on this website. I was in touch with the CGC and they said they're "working on it". It is not in the grain grading guide. Stay tuned.

I can imagine the whole scenario is as frustrating for the Buyers as it is for the Producers. I said to some of the grain buyers around here that end-users need to adjust their expectations. Other than years like this of drought-like conditions they can expect fusarium to be an ongoing issue. Get used to it. Environmental conditions(vary from year to year but this much dryness isn't quite normal either), the pathogen(which is present in the traditional growing area now) and the host, durum. If all three are present--BAM! The "cost" can't always come out of the Producer's hide when it would be as simple as adjusting the tolerances. I've argued a hundred times, no one's diet consists of solely cereal grains, so I "assume" fusarium and vomitoxin levels could likely be raised, and maybe alot more than we think?

In keeping with the theme of the thread:

In the meantime we need a way to monitor what the export prices are so we get fair value at the farmgate.

Thanks for your time fellows, Take care.

[sumdumguy]

Remember with the CWB, you would have taken 2 bucks home now and then received 11 cents in 18 months? Maybe not quite that bad but talk about basis!

[Guest]

Ok honest question, what will it take to have grading be ok with you? Grade the entire truck kernel by kernel? Vomi isn't a grading factor but graincos do take it into account. Should it be an official one? You can't have a load refused right now because of vomi but most graincos arn't doing vomi tests on each load just samples.

Oh , All i want is to take the same sample in the same f$&king bag to 3 different elevators and not get 2% diff in fuz depending on what they need that day or 3 ppm vomi difference on barley in the same bag on the same f$&king sample . Real simple actually thats all i want . As was mentioned also i will have a full 5 gal pail on a 5k bu bin which i mix thoroughly and then store sealed then some asshole at a pig barn reaches over back of trailer and gets a sample supposedly better than mine . Or a probe shoved twice into a full trailer for a pint of grain and why in **** dont graders have to be certified and checked on occasionally ??? ???? Like they do the scales. ? And if you think you can get any help out of grain commision , dream on . As i said before ergot was deadly before the fuz game came along . Cleaned a lot of ergot out of wheat for sfa at a big expense to us . Now that fuz is here ergot is safe . No i dont try to **** them at all and im tired of the games