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    #13
    Originally posted by Stampsguy View Post
    Are you crazy Big W. The only part of the economy picking up is the gov't work force.
    Exactly! I live close to to Alberta in the heart of heavy oil country. Only pickup I see in the oil patch is shutting in wells and abandonments. Patch is chugging along but on bare bones budgets and little to no new drilling activity. Only projects with life are long term ones like thermal extraction in Saskatchewan and a new asphalt refinery in Lloyd. It'll be a long time before sask or Alberta economies retrace their previous steps. Big players have left and now it's up to little players to get in and rebuild it. This takes years. It's happened many times over.

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      #14
      Originally posted by the big wheel View Post
      Yes I am crazy! I farm so what?

      The economy thing comes straight from many oil associations etc. Activity is picking up.
      The people who were living way beyond their means because oil was an unusual ridiculous price that's gonna take years and it won't matter who the government is to straighten those people out.

      It really doesn't matter much because until we all realize that oil is the past rand technology is the future we re headed for a real gong show in 2 to 3 decades.
      I agree guys lived beyond their means and are now flatter than piss on a plate. A lot of east coasters went home and aren't coming back. What we're seeing here is there is work to keep stuff going but little new activity because in order to make a well pay for itself the price isn't there. A lot of existing holes paid for themselves last boom so keeping them running is the only cost.
      Even if petroleum fuel gets antiquated there are other products it is essential for. Honestly I would love to see renewables take a lions share of the pie but completely replacing them is a long way off. More like complementing one another in the near term and eventually introducing more renewables as technology allows. You know as well as I do we in the developed world can wean ourselves off petrol eventually but the developing world will only use more as their economies grow on lower demand oil. I mean we have great intentions to save the world but when some poor fellow in Africa who walks 8 miles to find work can afford a car and drive 16 miles to a better job what do you think. It's like our ancestors plowing with horses compared to a tractor. It's the universal law of least resistance.

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        #15
        Yes I agree with lots of that statement Wilton.
        I also think it's s a huge mistake to be so concentrated on oil if it is the case that you can't produce oil at these prices yet somebody is still
        Producing enough to keep
        Up with demand that doesn't
        Bode well for future price increases.
        Why are we not investing in technology more?

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          #16
          Wheel…
          Why are we not investing in technology more?

          That's the idea behind a carbon tax.
          Tax emitters and invest in technology.
          But you can see how that's going over in farming country.
          Buy-in is not what JT had hoped for in SK and MB, to say the least

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            #17
            and no, I didn't vote liberal … or NDP

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              #18
              Most of those who took the diploma nursing program made good nurses. They just didn't have to sit through the fluff classes and pay for two more years of tuition. (Like engineers degree vs diploma) I feel that most of those coming out of the degree nursing program today, don't want to nurse. They are want to be administrators/pencil pushers. They don't feel they have to pay their dues doing actual nursing and wiping butts. Reminds me of the kid who graduates from university and immediately wants the sweater vest and pipe, but doesn't want to earn it.

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                #19
                Same thing in Mb. Gov't union adds non stop, god there must be lots of money to pay for this. Mb annual deficit is 1billion, debt is 24 billion, population just over 1 million. There is 120,000 gov't worker in Mb. Maybe 300,000 to 400,000 wage earners?? Just a guess. How can this be sustainable???? I'd love to see the cdn tax payers federation run some adds to promote firing 1/2 of all gov't workers.

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                  #20
                  Originally posted by magnum View Post
                  Most of those who took the diploma nursing program made good nurses. They just didn't have to sit through the fluff classes and pay for two more years of tuition. (Like engineers degree vs diploma) I feel that most of those coming out of the degree nursing program today, don't want to nurse. They are want to be administrators/pencil pushers. They don't feel they have to pay their dues doing actual nursing and wiping butts. Reminds me of the kid who graduates from university and immediately wants the sweater vest and pipe, but doesn't want to earn it.
                  no argument there , but those diploma nurses are the the ones putting down Lpns, and they have basically the same education . and Lpns are doing the same job for 75% of the wage . at least in nursing homes

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                    #21
                    Here's the problem with green over oil. So you tax oil and subsidize green, fair enough. Who is the biggest oil and gas company in the world? Saudiaramco and Russian oil and gas. How do they fund their social programs? Pump ****ing oil!! So Canada switches to green, how do we fund our social programs? Pump oil!!! So now we export crude? What's that do to price of crude? Down goes the price. Green energy isn't competitive at present without a govt subsidy, what's it gonna do at $25 crude? Still suck. Your fighting a ruble that's worth pennies on a USD. So why handicap the economy until green gets its cost down. The trip to 147 opened the door for alternatives now is technologies time to prove itself and be competitive. But if they can't get a windmill to be a net producer of energy after this long it ain't looking good. Solar is far more likely to make it imo. Throw in global cooling and nat gas and crude are still the ultimate energy source.

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                      #22
                      Originally posted by macdon02 View Post
                      Here's the problem with green over oil. So you tax oil and subsidize green, fair enough. Who is the biggest oil and gas company in the world? Saudiaramco and Russian oil and gas. How do they fund their social programs? Pump ****ing oil!! So Canada switches to green, how do we fund our social programs? Pump oil!!! So now we export crude? What's that do to price of crude? Down goes the price. Green energy isn't competitive at present without a govt subsidy, what's it gonna do at $25 crude? Still suck. Your fighting a ruble that's worth pennies on a USD. So why handicap the economy until green gets its cost down. The trip to 147 opened the door for alternatives now is technologies time to prove itself and be competitive. But if they can't get a windmill to be a net producer of energy after this long it ain't looking good. Solar is far more likely to make it imo. Throw in global cooling and nat gas and crude are still the ultimate energy source.
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                        #23
                        Our thinking is backwards with oil. We think a high oil price is the answer. I d like to ask everyone when oil was crazy price what did that do to our price if everything else? On top of that our government never received a fraction of what they should have to pay for the cost of extra activity etc.

                        We should be looking at using the cheap energy oil to manufacture, create, produce products right here instead of shipping raw other resources out and have everyone else use cheap oil to take those resources to the next step and make the real money.

                        But we don't see any vision at all from current politicians of any party. We re just sitting here hoping for a war or something to increase oil prices. It's so stupid the only ones that benefit from that are the bought and paid for politicians.

                        What did we really get out out of the last boom?

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                          #24
                          i find the ads annoying too.
                          whiney and sukie
                          unions , they are a fickle selfish bunch
                          1/2 their members are conservatives anyway.
                          SF3 was one of them.

                          they were all mad at Blakney , before he lost power.
                          Blakney was managing the finances not giving them what they wanted.

                          wall thought money grew on trees and spent accordingly.
                          now the crash , and things have to tighten up, big time.
                          now they all want to be NDP again.

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