Idiot Liberals

[Klause]

Nobody is talking about abolishing income tax or property tax though - just not going to happen. When you talk about wanting to farm without Government support that realistically means cutting out Government support and subsidy yet the pre-existing tax burdens would remain.

Not sure which subsidies you mean? Fuel tax benefit?


See my thread on Brad and SCIC. we actually subsidize government thru crop insurance as our portion of premiums is greater than the admin costs and payouts over the last decade....

I guess there's agriinvest and agristab... Neither of which we are in....


Pay $100,000 a year in taxes and have very little for it. Have to Drive past a brand new old folks home... I mean hospital an hour and a half down the narrowest highway in Sask in middle of December when somebody decide it's time to come out of his or her warm hiding spot.

[burnt]

I like being able to take vacations, so no live animals for me.

Well then what gives you the right to complain about the price if someone else is willing to do what you won't do for yourself?

Therein lies the heart of the matter.

[Hopalong]

Have been interested and involved with trade negotiations and fight against protectionism since time of Otto Lang over forty years ago. Otto was one of the first to tell us it might be in our own best interest to do something about negative aspect of wheat board.
Even at that time, supply management supporters were quick to see ending the wheat board as a threat to their own system. It is rather unfair to blame a liberal government any more than a conservative one.

[Sharecropper]

Well then what gives you the right to complain about the price if someone else is willing to do what you won't do for yourself?

Therein lies the heart of the matter.

I'm complaining as a consumer of dairy products whose right to choose has been taken away. I would say that I have every right to complain when others are willing to sell the same product for less money, but I can't buy it because of a governmental policy that benefits the few at the expense of the rest of us.

[grassfarmer]

I'm complaining as a consumer of dairy products whose right to choose has been taken away. I would say that I have every right to complain when others are willing to sell the same product for less money, but I can't buy it because of a governmental policy that benefits the few at the expense of the rest of us.

Who is willing to sell the same product for less money? Certainly no-one milking cows in Canada. The US product isn't comparable as its produced with BST hormone. A few guys are selling raw milk illegally here but at considerably more than the cost of organic milk in the store. Some times, somewhere else in the world it may be available for less money and nobody is stopping you from buying that.
What you really want is the Government to change some rules to break the system so that enough cheap imports (subsidized by their governments) come in to collapse the price here so that the farmer gets less than the cost of production. Then you sit and complain that your grain prices are poor for much the same reasons. Stupid is as stupid does.

[danny W1M]

grassfarter, How are you claiming that crop insurance is subsidized? Surely you don't think that because there's relief due to good performance by making fewer claims, that that is a subsidy? Are you referring to relief in premiums by the government?

Let me ask you then,,,,What other insurance indemnity payment are you required to declare as income and have to pay provincial and federal taxes on?

[danny W1M]

sorry grassy, I guess I'm as bad of speller as SF3.

[Sharecropper]

Who is willing to sell the same product for less money? Certainly no-one milking cows in Canada. The US product isn't comparable as its produced with BST hormone. A few guys are selling raw milk illegally here but at considerably more than the cost of organic milk in the store. Some times, somewhere else in the world it may be available for less money and nobody is stopping you from buying that.
What you really want is the Government to change some rules to break the system so that enough cheap imports (subsidized by their governments) come in to collapse the price here so that the farmer gets less than the cost of production. Then you sit and complain that your grain prices are poor for much the same reasons. Stupid is as stupid does.

I would say that you're just scared of the unknown. You're making an assumption that if Supply Management is broken that there will be less milk production in Canada. You're also making the assumption that the country will be flooded with imports. If you look at the U.S., the states with the lowest cost of production are not the only ones producing milk. In fact California, with all of it's crazy laws that drive up the cost of production, is the number one producer.

Milk would still be produced in Canada without SM. SM restricts supply; therefore, it's also restricting the amount of grain being fed to produce that supply. If SM was stopped, dairies would become larger and more efficient. 100 cow dairies would be replaced with 10,000 cow dairies. I would argue that you may find feed consumption could actually increase if SM were eliminated.

And as far as the milk not being the same, it all tastes the same to me.

[Klause]

I would say that you're just scared of the unknown. You're making an assumption that if Supply Management is broken that there will be less milk production in Canada. You're also making the assumption that the country will be flooded with imports. If you look at the U.S., the states with the lowest cost of production are not the only ones producing milk. In fact California, with all of it's crazy laws that drive up the cost of production, is the number one producer.

Milk would still be produced in Canada without SM. SM restricts supply; therefore, it's also restricting the amount of grain being fed to produce that supply. If SM was stopped, dairies would become larger and more efficient. 100 cow dairies would be replaced with 10,000 cow dairies. I would argue that you may find feed consumption could actually increase if SM were eliminated.

And as far as the milk not being the same, it all tastes the same to me.

Yup let's usper size dairies too... And ten bitch about how rural areas and small towns become more and more depopulated. "Facepalm*


If they need more feed that's the definition if lower efficiency. And dairies fees very little grain...

If you can't taste the difference between Dairyland and Lucerne milk... Holy.

[furrowtickler]

What subsidies are you talking about grass ??? Did you not read that link from Klause about SCIC ?? Who the *** is subsidizing who ?
And yes a lot of farm operate very well without it and have for a long time to answer you