Labor day

[sofa.king]

It's that time of year to celebrate the over paid underworked useless union workers that are helping destroy this country. Time to make canada great again starting with keeping jobs at home not overseas. Rant over back to harvest.

[perfecho]

wow...really...my world is made up of a number of business owners, as I was....not many of us are suffering much......and as I posted before, many business owners would shuffle business overseas to unprotected, abused foreign workers that made pennies a day....if it added to their bottom line....with no regard to "keeping Canada great!"
Yes, there are some union issues, but, IMHO, not as much problem as "Profit trumps ethics"....
I am now seeing a bit more regard from the "newer generation" who do value local, ethical investing and I like it.....
Go back to bed and try the other side....;-)

[sumdumguy]

wow...really...my world is made up of a number of business owners, as I was....not many of us are suffering much......and as I posted before, many business owners would shuffle business overseas to unprotected, abused foreign workers that made pennies a day....if it added to their bottom line....with no regard to "keeping Canada great!"
Yes, there are some union issues, but, IMHO, not as much problem as "Profit trumps ethics"....
I am now seeing a bit more regard from the "newer generation" who do value local, ethical investing and I like it.....
Go back to bed and try the other side....;-)

What is "ethical" investing?

[chuckChuck]

It's that time of year to celebrate the over paid underworked useless union workers that are helping destroy this country. Time to make canada great again starting with keeping jobs at home not overseas. Rant over back to harvest.

Give us a break with your one sided anti-union bullshit.

Do you live in a cave or do you not realize most large employers and industries are well organized in business associations "unions" and well connected to government and have a lot of influence when it comes to getting what they want through extensive lobbying?

Not to mention that unions have fought for protection of all workers rights and helped improve the working conditions and standard of living of all Canadians.

Or we could go back to the good ol days when you owed your soul to the company store and worked for **** all. Hey sounds like farming LOL

[perfecho]

Google ethical investing and "socially Responsible Investing" comes up....

In general, socially responsible investors encourage corporate practices that promote environmental stewardship, consumer protection, human rights, and diversity. Some avoid businesses involved in alcohol, tobacco, fast food, gambling, pornography, weapons, contraception/abortifacients/abortion, fossil fuel production or the military.[1] The areas of concern recognized by the SRI practitioners are sometimes summarized under the heading of ESG issues: environment, social justice, and corporate governance.

"Socially responsible investing" is one of several related concepts and approaches that influence and, in some cases govern, how asset managers invest portfolios.[2] The term "socially responsible investing" sometimes narrowly refers to practices that seek to avoid harm by screening companies included in an investment portfolio.[3] However, the term is also used more broadly to include more proactive practices such as impact investing, shareholder advocacy and community investing.[4] According to investor Amy Domini, shareholder advocacy and community investing are pillars of socially responsible investing, while doing only negative screening is inadequate.[5]

In my terms, investing that is socially and environmentally sustainable....where CEO's are concerned about the health and welfare of their employees and product...instead of making the most return regardless of true cost..

[Oliver88]

What is "ethical" investing?

Today it seems to be a buzz word that doesn't have substance but makes soccer moms feel like they are doing something good. (Or a bad investment fund at your local credit union)

[perfecho]

It has substance to some........but some may not understand......

[pgluca]

Give us a break with your one sided anti-union bullshit.

Do you live in a cave or do you not realize most large employers and industries are well organized in business associations "unions" and well connected to government and have a lot of influence when it comes to getting what they want through extensive lobbying?

Not to mention that unions have fought for protection of all workers rights and helped improve the working conditions and standard of living of all Canadians.

Or we could go back to the good ol days when you owed your soul to the company store and worked for **** all. Hey sounds like farming LOL

ChuckChuck, I notice you always take the contrary view and often you are at least partly right in your opposition to an extreme view. However I would really like to know how many Union jobs you have had and how much you have paid in dues. When I was young I worked for three companies who had Unions I was compelled to join. At the first one when an efficiency expert came in and said there were too many people for the amount of work being done, I was laid off because I had low seniority. The management called me in the office and begged me not to go get another job because they wanted me back and were hoping to encourage some of their "dead wood" to leave. The second job I recall a Union meeting where the head of the Union from a large city came and told us to ignore the companies request to work a little harder so our production would be in line with other plants in the industry. I went back to the farm for the cropping season. Everyone lost their job when the plant closed a year later. The third job I was at I was reprimanded by the shop steward for finishing hanging a door I had balanced on my foot after the break bell rang. I was to drop everything so I wouldn't make anyone look bad. At that job if you underperformed the shop steward was to do your job and if you only took about 40% longer you kept your job and of course he didn't hurry. The Union bosses used to come down once a month in their $200 suits (I was making $4.50/hr) and buy us beer with our own money and tell us how great the Union was.
To add some balance to this diatribe I admit some companies don't seem to realize happy employees are their biggest asset, but I am betting in environments where jobs are not extremely scarce, there is more abuse to the employer than the employees. The labour laws themselves are more than adequate.

[checking]

To follow up on farmolic, what has perfecho done lately to practice what he preaches? Just asking if it is more than lip service.

[farmaholic]

To follow up on farmolic, what has perfecho done lately to practice what he preaches? Just asking if it is more than lip service.

How did I make it into this thread/particular post? I never posted anything in this thread.

[grassfarmer]

How did I make it into this thread/particular post? I never posted anything in this thread.

Must be autocorrect again.

[chuckChuck]

ChuckChuck, I notice you always take the contrary view and often you are at least partly right in your opposition to an extreme view. However I would really like to know how many Union jobs you have had and how much you have paid in dues. When I was young I worked for three companies who had Unions I was compelled to join. At the first one when an efficiency expert came in and said there were too many people for the amount of work being done, I was laid off because I had low seniority. The management called me in the office and begged me not to go get another job because they wanted me back and were hoping to encourage some of their "dead wood" to leave. The second job I recall a Union meeting where the head of the Union from a large city came and told us to ignore the companies request to work a little harder so our production would be in line with other plants in the industry. I went back to the farm for the cropping season. Everyone lost their job when the plant closed a year later. The third job I was at I was reprimanded by the shop steward for finishing hanging a door I had balanced on my foot after the break bell rang. I was to drop everything so I wouldn't make anyone look bad. At that job if you underperformed the shop steward was to do your job and if you only took about 40% longer you kept your job and of course he didn't hurry. The Union bosses used to come down once a month in their $200 suits (I was making $4.50/hr) and buy us beer with our own money and tell us how great the Union was.
To add some balance to this diatribe I admit some companies don't seem to realize happy employees are their biggest asset, but I am betting in environments where jobs are not extremely scarce, there is more abuse to the employer than the employees. The labour laws themselves are more than adequate.

I have been a farmer all my life except for a few short term jobs that were not unionized. I am sure there are examples where union rules are creating problems. But to suggest that unions are the problem is stupid.

In an employer employee relationship unions help balance the power of the employer. There are lots of examples of employers who mistreat and abuse employees.

Right here in Saskatchewan coal miners went on strike in Bienfait near Estevan over poor and dangerous working conditions in the 1920s and pay cuts in 1931. The miners wanted to Unionize and marched to Estevan where 3 miners were shot by police. If you look at the history of Coal mining you will see why unions were necessary. Estevan still has lots of Union jobs because of Sask Power and local coal mining.

In another example in the US I heard of a case where a non-unionized employer laid off a person because their spouse became seriously ill and the employer did not want pay the high health insurance premiums that would have covered the spouse. That is the kind of bullshit that employers will pull in non-unionized work.

As someone else said happy well cared for employees are an asset.