Climate Change deniers have won - Finally

[burnt]

wrong re australia

And all the rest on that list as well, when taking into account the subsidies given to solar, et all.

But the ecofreaks don't like having facts spoil their narrative, so best left unsaid. LOL!

Okay, this needs to be said as well - the real costs of disposing of the solar panels is just being made public now - nobody has a sustainable solution to recycle them. So in only another decade or so we will be faced with hundreds of thousands of tonnes of degraded PV panels.

The catch-22 is this - if the production costs drop as much as the proponents say they will, it won't be economically feasible to recucle anything but the aluminum frames and a few metal parts.

Yes indeed, that will be green - and require MORE subsidies.

[chuckChuck]

Its obviously difficult for many of you to accept any independent analysis and forecasts from Bloomberg that don't fit your political views.

Because you are all more well informed than the Bloomberg Business specialists who study this for a living.

LOL

[Robertbarlage]

Please show what u have done we're waiting.

[chuckChuck]

Still looking at options. There are turn key options or you can buy a lot of the components and do a lot of the install yourself. You need an electrician. A local electrician just did a 5 day solar course this summer.

Just came back from a neighbor who has about a 30 kw system installed. He is a farmer and former accountant who has crunched the numbers and pay back is about 10 years and expect another 20 years of low cost electricity under the net metering program in Saskatchewan before the panels need replacing.

I will let you know when I make my decision. The longer I wait the more the panels increase in efficiency and the costs go down. There's no rush guys. My kids will enjoy the fruits of our labour and investments and I am hoping to live another 30-40 years if I am lucky. Freedom 85 as we say in farming!

[grassfarmer]

And all the rest on that list as well, when taking into account the subsidies given to solar, et all.

But the ecofreaks don't like having facts spoil their narrative, so best left unsaid. LOL!

Okay, this needs to be said as well - the real costs of disposing of the solar panels is just being made public now - nobody has a sustainable solution to recycle them. So in only another decade or so we will be faced with hundreds of thousands of tonnes of degraded PV panels.

The catch-22 is this - if the production costs drop as much as the proponents say they will, it won't be economically feasible to recucle anything but the aluminum frames and a few metal parts.

Yes indeed, that will be green - and require MORE subsidies.

Just like the oil and gas industry then? The cost of cleaning up the current # of abandoned and inactive wells in Alberta is more than the value of all the oilfield companies operating in that jurisdiction. If they had to do it, as law requires, the entire oil and gas industry there would be insolvent tomorrow. So of course the taxpayer is going to be on the hook for the cleanup. Don't kid yourself oil and gas production in Canada is either environmentally sound, sustainable or unsubsidized.

[Rareearth]

If it doesn't work in Canada, where does it?

The same will happen with grains, other countries will produce it at a lower cost, then what?

[burnt]

Still looking at options. There are turn key options or you can buy a lot of the components and do a lot of the install yourself. You need an electrician. A local electrician just did a 5 day solar course this summer.

Just came back from a neighbor who has about a 30 kw system installed. He is a farmer and former accountant who has crunched the numbers and pay back is about 10 years and expect another 20 years of low cost electricity under the net metering program in Saskatchewan before the panels need replacing.

I will let you know when I make my decision. The longer I wait the more the panels increase in efficiency and the costs go down. There's no rush guys. My kids will enjoy the fruits of our labour and investments and I am hoping to live another 30-40 years if I am lucky. Freedom 85 as we say in farming!

What - no rush?? Your overlords tell you that the earth is going to hell in a hand cart and you say there's NO RUSH? So you either have selective faith in them or you are putting your bank account ahead of the good of society.

Isn't that what you accuse us of, you bloody hypocrite?

You've had lots of time to put your money where your mouth is. You're just like the top of your ideolgical food chain - cry doom and gloom but live like there's no tomorrow, LOL!! The Goracle and Frizzuki taught you well, hahaha!

Sure, we understand, capitalism is a lovely thing!

[chuckChuck]

Just like the oil and gas industry then? The cost of cleaning up the current # of abandoned and inactive wells in Alberta is more than the value of all the oilfield companies operating in that jurisdiction. If they had to do it, as law requires, the entire oil and gas industry there would be insolvent tomorrow. So of course the taxpayer is going to be on the hook for the cleanup. Don't kid yourself oil and gas production in Canada is either environmentally sound, sustainable or unsubsidized.

Good point Grass. I live in an oil area and the number of orphan wells, abandoned roads, leases, unused powers lines, hidden oil and salt water spills, degraded soil on lease sites and pipeline right of ways is substantial.

The oil patch is more careful now but they have no intention of cleaning up all the problem sites. So there was a lot of money made but little of it will be used to fix the problems. Didn't somebody propose that the government subsidize a make work project to clean up orphan wells?

As I have said many times the long term value of the farmland and soil far exceeds any of the oil or gas that will be produced on farm land because food production will have to go on forever unless Trump and Kim Jong Un blow us all up first.

[chuckChuck]

What - no rush?? Your overlords tell you that the earth is going to hell in a hand cart and you say there's NO RUSH? So you either have selective faith in them or you are putting your bank account ahead of the good of society.

Isn't that what you accuse us of, you bloody hypocrite?

You've had lots of time to put your money where your mouth is. You're just like the top of your ideolgical food chain - cry doom and gloom but live like there's no tomorrow, LOL!! The Goracle and Frizzuki taught you well, hahaha!

Sure, we understand, capitalism is a lovely thing!

Relatively speaking there is no rush on my individual part to install solar. We just started discussing solar options within the last 12 months or so. So don't get your shorts in a knot. It wasn't on radar because of high costs previously. That has changed a lot.

Climate change and reducing greenhouse gases is on the radar of almost every large industry and government. The time to make major greenhouse reductions is relatively short

Even Harper said that by 2100 we will have stopped using fossil energy sources. 82 years away - 1 lifetime. There are a few who cling onto their firmly held beliefs that there is no problem, but humans are often unable to think beyond their own small lives and plan for the future. Most live pay cheque to pay cheque.

In any case Saskpower is planning on 1600 Mw of wind and a few solar projects on our behalf which is going to take several years.

There has been several stories on farms and businesses adopting solar systems across the prairies reported recently in farm publications. So it is just not me advocating or adopting more renewables.

Burnt, either you are living under a stone or completely blinded by your political views.

Maybe its time to sell your shares in the buggy whip company!

[binthere]

And that's how it's done. c.c. rider waiting for for the subsidies and someone else to sacrifice the skin.