The difference, East , west

[redleaf]

Tried to post pic of cow but doesn't seem to be working

https://www.google.ca/search?q=canada+cartoon+cow+east+west&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-ca&client=safari#imgrc=2AH5Gk3SrXnAsM:

[redleaf]

Trying again.

[littledoggie]

Not quite the one I'm thinking of, but I can't find it. It depicts the cow eating in the west, getting milked in central Canada and shitting on the east.

[seldomseen]

The problem with Canada: Its just way too spread out and regions are so different. A small busy area in the center that controls the rest. Geographically no mans land between the busy center and the area that has all the resources. A couple of winters ago a bridge went out on the trans Canada and for weeks you weren't able to drive from one region to the next. Prairie people are so different from eastern urban people that control us. Canadian prairie people are very similar to Midwestern states people and share the same geography and political views.

[Klause]

Very good article that sums it up...

[URL="http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lifestyle/western-alienation-a-brief-history/"]http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lifestyle/western-alienation-a-brief-history/[/URL]
Western Canada was a "lesser" partner all along. From the above:

Under the terms of Confederation, the original provinces entered with full control of their own resources. The new provinces that were eventually carved out of the West, however, did not start out with the same rights. When first Manitoba and later Alberta and Saskatchewan were created, Ottawa retained control of their natural goods. The federal government believed, probably correctly at the time, that the new provinces lacked the capacity to fully exploit their lands. But politicians, especially from the Maritime provinces, were also of the view that their taxpayers had bought and paid for the western timber, farmlands, coal and later oil and gas with the payout to the Hudson’s Bay Co.


The Prairie provinces, then, felt they had come into Confederation as second-class citizens. And the resentment this bred has never really gone away. Through the early part of the 1900s, successive western premiers battled successive prime ministers for resource control, mostly to no avail. At times, they struggled even to be noticed.

Janigan describes a heated first ministers meeting in 1913, in which the three Prairie premiers teamed up for the first time to demand resource control from Prime Minister Robert Borden. It was a watershed moment for the West. For Borden, it barely registered. (The entire conference, Janigan notes, went completely unmentioned in his memoirs.) After another disastrous conference in 1918, Ottawa began to acknowledge that the western provinces might benefit from having some control over their resources. Still, a 1920 report prepared for the new prime minister, Arthur Meighen, suggested key commodities like coal, oil, gas and timber remain under the federal thumb.

[chuckChuck]

Wow Chuck and grass. You guys have so little clue it's scary.


GDP per capita:
Alberta: $78,140
Sask: $70,207
NWT: $109196
Yukon: $72,676

Quebec: $46,151
Ontario: $55,352

New Brunswick: $43,831


A worker in western Canada is worth twice as much as a worker in eastern Canada. It's been that way since confederation.

What I don't understand is why somebody who never studied Canadian history or politics or culture is arguing these points, eh grass?

If anybody has the cartoon from te 1920s of the cow of Canada with the west feeding and central Canada milking... Post it I'll post the story that went with it. Haha

Klaus, GDP doesn't tell the whole story. So if I am sitting on a pile of oil, gas, potash, gold, uranium does that mean I am smarter, I work harder and better than everyone else? Your arguments are shallow. A mile wide and a inch deep. There are numerous regional differences in most countries. The grass is always greener on the other side.

[chuckChuck]

Ok Chuck2 you won't answer my question on nitrogen trifluoride emissions from solar maybe you will answer this question. The Liberal government is looking for revenue, why attack business with a proposal that is essentially class warfare for a meagre $250-500 million when you could raise the GST one point and bring in $6 billion? Please explain.

I am in favour of raising the gst. As far as the tax changes I think the problem is they are using a broad brush. It is a complex issue. Some advantages need to be tightened up. Ag likely needs special treatment because of weather risk and intergenerational transfers. They should pursue all the offshore tax avoidance by wealthy Canadians first.

Solar pollution needs to be taken care of. As well as all the pollution from dirty coal. Coal is far worse because of the scale. I am glad that you take environmental and pollution issues seriously.

[burnt]

I am in favour of raising the gst. As far as the tax changes I think the problem is they are using a broad brush. It is a complex issue. Some advantages need to be tightened up. Ag likely needs special treatment because of weather risk and intergenerational transfers. They should pursue all the offshore tax avoidance by wealthy Canadians first.

Solar pollution needs to be taken care of. As well as all the pollution from dirty coal. Coal is far worse because of the scale. I am glad that you take environmental and pollution issues seriously.

chucky, do you take wealthy Canadians Trudeau's and Morneau's offshore tax avoidance schemes seriously as well?

Or is it okay for them, since their are wealthy, old stock Liberal fortunes?

What's your guess or assumption on this one?

[Klause]

Klaus, GDP doesn't tell the whole story. So if I am sitting on a pile of oil, gas, potash, gold, uranium does that mean I am smarter, I work harder and better than everyone else? Your arguments are shallow. A mile wide and a inch deep. There are numerous regional differences in most countries. The grass is always greener on the other side.

You're right it doesn't... However Ontario and Quebec have gold, zinc, moly, copper, Nat gas, and even tar sands up north. Not developing resources you have vs doing so. Canada is a rich country but run by Ontario and Quebec... Considering they wanted to help themselves to the rest of the countries resources for the last hundred years, they will continue to want to do so for the next hundred. I.e. NEP, equalization payments, and now this small biz attack.

[grassfarmer]

Wow Chuck and grass. You guys have so little clue it's scary.

GDP per capita:
Alberta: $78,140
Sask: $70,207

Quebec: $46,151

Which given the size of the workforces quoted earlier shows that AB and SK combined just manage to surpass Quebec or slightly better than half of Ontario's productivity. You're not the big shots you think you are.