Sniper shoots up country music festival, +50 dead

[furrowtickler]

interesting that there was an American hunter here one time said the real definition of this ....

GOD .... Guns , Oil and Drugs .
He may have not been far off .

[westernvicki]

When you go into a hotel in India you are scanned, luggage, purse and individual. All this changed after the attacks at the TAJ MAHAL.

What type of security is employed in Vegas? Inconvenient as it is, maybe time to move this up a notch.

[furrowtickler]

In Vegas if you have a pulse and a credit card your in , along with your dozen guns

[helmsdale]

TV news video clearly indicate an automatic machine gun was used. Are these legal in Nevada?

So for all you guys who think having your own gun to defend yourself is of any value, in this case and many cases, armed civilians with weapons for self defence have little benefit and are not a deterrent.

Automatic weapons have been effectively banned since 1986 federally. Supersedes any state law. Automatic weapons manufactured prior to 1986 are still legal to own but only after being subjected to a rigorous, federal, ATF background check, being fingerprinted, and federally registered to the specific serial # of the gun. $200 charge applies with each registration. New parts are illegal to purchase even for pre 1986 guns. Means old guns have to be cannibalized in order to maintain these guns. A dwindling supply means some rare mechanisms are pushing north of $50,000.

After purchasing and registering, you are obligated by law to notify federal authorities any time your address changes, or you desire to transport said guns across state lines.

Even I was not aware of this until this morning.

[helmsdale]

Wikipedia also says "evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime."

Legal and lawful gun ownership doesn't seem to be the problem. Black market guns however are. How we get a handle on these I have no good ideas.

Longer more severe sentences if a firearm is used during a criminal offence? Seems the US already has a prison population problem so that would seem unlikely to resolve the problem.

Registration since 1986 hasn't stopped the problem.

Confiscation and prohibition of all firearms? Or just automatic weapons?
Even if possible, It's the black market that's the problem, not legal gun ownership...

[biglentil]

All this assumes that if guns were illegal the act would not of occurred. Thats a stretch. Did the strict French gun laws stop the perps in the Charlie Hebdoe massacre? Would banning pressure cookers have prevented the Boston event? If there is a will there is a way, criminals do not follow the rules by their very nature. But for firearms the fellow might have resorted to an attack similar to Belgiums delivery truck rampage killing over 80. Or since this guy had a pilots license he could of crashed a plane full of tanerite into the concert.

If you ask me the whole thing stinks of a planted perpetrator. Make it look like a suicide and off the real perps go. A 60 something wealthy retired accountant that enjoys mexican food, country music and gambling just does not fit the mould at all. But fits the bill of a good patsy.

[dmlfarmer]

The world according to Agriville:

After reading this thread, I just want to make sure I am understanding what most posters seem to believe.

If a shooter is Muslim, the religion is to blame....
If a shooter is black, race is to blame....
If a shooter is white, he is a mentally ill victim of a leftist conspiracy.

Is that right?

[furrowtickler]

Or you see reactions like this ... wow

That is seriously wrong

[biglentil]

Jason Aldean is taking some major flak for not warning his fans he just ran off stage. I think he was in a real tough spot tell the fans to run and cause a stampede?

[blackpowder]

More children are shot by accident or suicide in US annually than all mass shootings combined. (My guess but pretty sure)
And yet the most basic (much simpler than here) of safe storage requirements cannot be legislated. Common sense cannot be legislated anyway. It is their problem not ours. A price they live with.