Freeze up coming,

[chuckChuck]

Point is the climate has always changed , for 1000's of years . Long before fossil fuels were burnt .
Most of us believe that it is currently way over hyped for political gain ... that's the issue.
You bring up one of the over hyped situations - the Greenland ice sheets , the only way they will ever totally melt is if the earth shifted on its axis and Greenland became in a more southern latitudes.
Yes they may loose some ice during a warm period but they will also gain ice over a cool period , like the little ice age several hundred years ago.
Pollutants from fossil fuels are not good for the environment, that's a fact . But a lot of tech already has reduced emissions dramatically with vehicles and farm machinery with def systems that cost us dearly already. Carbon taxes to fight "climate change" is fruitless. Its simply a wealth transfer from those that have no choice to burn fossil fuel now and in the immediate future to those who ride their bicycle to work . That's why the backlash from most of us.

There is no evidence that any period of global cooling is going to occur any time soon. On the contrary at current CO2 levels we are on track to significant warming which the data all shows. The risk is rapid out of control warming because once the ice is reduced reflecting less of the suns energy and the permafrost releases mega tonnes of carbon and methane we could see warming that will be catastrophic. Canada's arctic is seeing a lot of warming now more than other regions. This is a long term issue but changing carbon emissions has to start decades in advance. Almost every nation is aware of the issue and is in favour of reducing emissions. Actually reducing emissions is going to be very difficult and that is why there is a lot of talk and not much action because it is a huge change. Carbon taxes wont solve the problem alone but they are one of the tools that can be used. If you remember when gas was a 1.40 -1.50 per litre consumption dropped. So prices and taxes do affect consumption. Sales of big trucks dropped off and people purchased more fuel efficient cars.

[furrowtickler]

I see your point but you ignored the fact that we as farmers already invite a huge cost with def systems that dramatically reduce emissions. Also we can not reduce consumption much and will have to eat the full cost of the fairy tale tax with no way to pass it on .

[blackpowder]

So let it happen.
Plan for the change. Dont castrate your economy for the benefit of China. Legislating a change to the weather is folly.

An aquaintance was present at higher level AB govt meetings after C tax in. All present gleefully schemed how much of the expected $5B new income they could get. Fools and suckers. If i agree to your science will you agree to being a fool?

[chuckChuck]

So let it happen.
Plan for the change. Dont castrate your economy for the benefit of China. Legislating a change to the weather is folly.

An aquaintance was present at higher level AB govt meetings after C tax in. All present gleefully schemed how much of the expected $5B new income they could get. Fools and suckers. If i agree to your science will you agree to being a fool?

There is a good argument that not investing in low carbon technology will be bad for the economy as well. There are lots of jobs and investment happening in clean tech and renewables. We will still be producing and using oil and gas in the next decades even as we adopt more electric, hybrid and hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles and renewables. It will be a transition not an abrupt change.

We also have to calculate the economic costs of global warming and increasing sea levels. Droughts, floods, huge changes that have a bill attached. So there are economic implications if we do little.

Fools are those who are resistant to change when it is obvious that continuing along a path that is not sustainable, will lead to severe problems. The science is not negotiable.

[chuckChuck]

I see your point but you ignored the fact that we as farmers already invite a huge cost with def systems that dramatically reduce emissions. Also we can not reduce consumption much and will have to eat the full cost of the fairy tale tax with no way to pass it on .

Agriculture can be largely exempted from carbon taxes with good policy if that is required. But agricultural practices will have to be changed to reduce emissions as agriculture is still a large emitter.

[furrowtickler]

Fools are those who say the Greenland ice sheet will melt and sea levels will rise dramatically because of it causing the world untold death and destruction.

[sumdumguy]

Tax chucky and his science peers so they shut the hell up !

Tax those begging to be taxed !

Ain't that the truth. If only they would put their money where their mouth is!

[fjlip]

Agriculture can be largely exempted from carbon taxes with good policy if that is required. But agricultural practices will have to be changed to reduce emissions as agriculture is still a large emitter.

WRONG! we are massive sequesters that NO climate change nazi will admit.

[fjlip]

I see your point but you ignored the fact that we as farmers already invite a huge cost with def systems that dramatically reduce emissions. Also we can not reduce consumption much and will have to eat the full cost of the fairy tale tax with no way to pass it on .

Farmers have been forced by economics to slash all consumption over last 30 years... THAT should be recognized by society...

[seldomseen]

It has been snowing here all morning so the door on fall work is closing fast.

Arguing with Chucky is frustrating just like the weather.

I really want a warmer climate but doubt I will ever see one unless I move south.

[danny W1M]

Yup, little chance of building reserves for next, once the ground is froze.

In climate news, more and more scientists are becoming unafraid since the Democrats are out of power, and more of them are writing scientific papers about the myth of glow-ball warming.

[URL="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/24/delingpole-now-400-scientific-papers-in-2017-say-global-warming-is-a-myth/"]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/24/delingpole-now-400-scientific-papers-in-2017-say-global-warming-is-a-myth/[/URL]

[sumdumguy]

Ain't that the truth. If only they would put their money where their mouth is!

Chucky, you would be much more credible if you told us that you live off the grid, use wind and solar for your energy requirements, do you?