Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF

[burnt]

So now that we know that both fossil energy and renewables both receive subsidies, lets see which one is the best investment. Keeping in mind that some of the early subsidies to wind and solar in Ontario were excessive.

Wind and solar are now cost competitive or cheaper in many jurisdictions without subsidies than fossil energy. And we know we still need base load for intermittent renewables so lets not rehash that debate again. So hydro, gas, nuclear can and will provide base load for the near future.

And with zer own words, chucky just showed us that because of its unreliability, "green" energy is unsustainable.

And since it cannot stand without conventional supply, it is completely subsidized by the system that chucky wants to portray as bad.

What a remarkable admission, chucky my friend!

[chuckChuck]

And with zer own words, chucky just showed us that because of its unreliability, "green" energy is unsustainable.

And since it cannot stand without conventional supply, it is completely subsidized by the system that chucky wants to portray as bad.

What a remarkable admission, chucky my friend!

Intermittent is not the same as unreliable. If solar or wind is producing watts then less coal, gas or hydro is being used. Try to spin it however you want. Here is some proof that renewables are not unreliable:

Germany has been getting up to 85 percent of its electricity from renewable sources on certain sunny, windy days this year. The BEE reported on Sunday the overall share of wind, hydro and solar power in the country's electricity mix climbed to a record 35 percent in the first half.Jul 3, 2017

"The share of renewable electricity use is high in Sweden; hydro, wind, and solar power together accounted for 49.8% of the electricity produced in the country in 2014 (when measured against national electricity consumption, however, this amount rises to 55.5%).

Unreliable?? LOL

This thread is about subsidies to fossil fuel. Are you in favour of subsidizing fossil fuels?

[Horse]

Burnt can you do all your field work on 1 tank of fuel.no ??I guess that would mean fossil fuel in unstanable
The gov is very wasteful with our taxes whereas the oil co are very efficient at hiding there money so no one knows how much they are getting, and with people like burnt, klause sing their praises they just go merrily along living the dream.

[Klause]

Burnt can you do all your field work on 1 tank of fuel.no ??I guess that would mean fossil fuel in unstanable
The gov is very wasteful with our taxes whereas the oil co are very efficient at hiding there money so no one knows how much they are getting, and with people like burnt, klause sing their praises they just go merrily along living the dream.

And people like you and Chuck Live in a fantasy world with no idea how economies energy systems factories or business works - and unwilling to learn.

Horse you hate the energy industry and oil workers so much.... I hope you heat your house with wood, use no plastics and farm with horses. Because unless your doing that you are relying on those evil oil field workers and oil companies.


A Saskpower linesman. a GMC auto plant worker. A nurse. A potash mine worker. A plumber. A carpenter. An electrician. A mechanic. They all make the same hourly wage as somebody who works in the patch so give it an effing rest. I'd you can't compete with go-getters that's your problem not theirs.

[checking]

Actually cc., intermittent is not the same as reliable. So yes, for reliability purposes and security, I am prepared to subsidize fossil fuels over subsidizing intermittent systems, and subsidizing fossil fuel systems concurrently.
Two bills and one pocket leads to "can society afford it".

[burnt]

Intermittent is not the same as unreliable. If solar or wind is producing watts then less coal, gas or hydro is being used. Try to spin it however you want. Here is some proof that renewables are not unreliable:

Germany has been getting up to 85 percent of its electricity from renewable sources on certain sunny, windy days this year. The BEE reported on Sunday the overall share of wind, hydro and solar power in the country's electricity mix climbed to a record 35 percent in the first half.Jul 3, 2017

"The share of renewable electricity use is high in Sweden; hydro, wind, and solar power together accounted for 49.8% of the electricity produced in the country in 2014 (when measured against national electricity consumption, however, this amount rises to 55.5%).

Unreliable?? LOL

This thread is about subsidies to fossil fuel. Are you in favour of subsidizing fossil fuels?

Check your privilege there chucky - if you, like some I know, were dependent on a steady supply of electricity to keep their life-giving equipment running, you'd think green energy was damned unreliable, not just intermittent.

My daughter works in a third world medical center where electricity is intermittent - thus, unreliable.

And GUESS what chucky - she sees babies and children die because there is no electricity to run the oxygen generator. It just about breaks her heart and there's no more helpless feeling than watching a baby gasp for breath as it slowly dies because the power is down.

Does that help you to better understand the importance of reliable?

By supporting dependency on unreliable systems, you are advocating for a decline in living standards to third world levels.

And I'm not going to sit back and let some mentally, morally and socially challenged idiots tell me that I have to accept that decline.

[Horse]

Klaus think what you like but no I don't hate oil workers and oil is not my god, but when I see some of the things that goes on in the patch it posses me off same as when I see gov pies away my tax dollars and I don't think I am being unkind just realistic.
Now instead of cooling me names we could discuss some of the wastes I see Mabry you could enlighten me and other oil haters on how the buis are so damn good.

[sawfly1]

i thought we had lots of gas, burn that when the environmental
choices are not putting out.

eventually the planet will run low on fossil fuels.
we will have to adapt sometime. save the fossil fuels for where they are needed most.
or at least until technology , finds us cleaner sources.

it does not hurt to have both.
it is not either or.
we pretty much have to run with both

[oneoff]

Maybe it doesn't help to mention this again....

But chuck's preferred Saskpower 10 MW solar demonstration site at Estevan SK didn't get built on schedule. Could it be he didn't lobby the RM councillors quite hard enough to give up the site it was planned to be built on. And SaskPower simply built the first project someplace else.


Come to think about...I doubt he had enough personal interest to even get involved in local matters. Not enough to gain compared to the much safe and easier fighting the world battles from half way around the world??? . Much the same as his own sit on the fence attitude until it makes enough personal business sense to show "leadership" and jumping in with something a bit bigger than maybe a solar powered calculator.

Talk is really cheap.

[oneoff]

And in the interest of clarity; it should also be mentioned again that any "nameplate" green energy production should be drastically derated to account for little details like occasional night time darkness; winter on the prairies (particularly December and January doldrums for solar panels); lack of wind sufficient to turn turbines, the odd hurricane or even 130km wind gust as recently at Moose Jaw etc. etc. Look on Youtube for a windmill's total destruction. Best not to be within a half mile or so; whenever that reoccurring circumstance comes around again.

But never will this cross those minds; or be factored into a crusade with some utopian unattainable goal meant to cripple others; but not necessarily apply to oneself.

Like Manitoba's $25/tonne carbon tax that might raise $250 million for government coffers. Sure sounds like its new wealth for a government that has already has lost sight of returning much to renewable energy initiatives. That wasn't how that "carbon tax" was sold to the public only months ago.