RD414: I am not sure why you think I would have any answers as to "what is needed to get a conservative govt. elected and keep people happy in Ontario." I tore up my Conservative membership a long time ago and have not been affiliated with any other party ever. I think all parties, including the Conservatives, have been corrupted. The system is not going to change on its own. But I do believe the system can be changed by the grass routes. And it starts with exactly the question you are asking. What do the people of Canada (not just Ontario or the west) want? Unfortunately few are asking the question and an even lower percentage are listening to the answers. Until people actually start talking, answering questions, supporting their positions with verified facts rather than arguing because of something they heard or read on the internet and which they simply repeat rather than making sure it is true, and most important be willing to compromise and concede when they are wrong, we will always be divided.
IMHO, there are two more things that have to happen. First, there has to be a return to civility. No one likes to be put down, bullied, and insulted, yet social media seems to thrive on it. Read any thread on this forum and count the putdowns, and name calling. Even the title of this post insinuates that easterners are stupid. You think easterners enjoy being called stupid? Look at the number of memes of Trudeau on this forum. Such postings might be considered funny to the far right base but all it does is insult Liberals. I doubt there is a single Liberal that will change their vote because of a meme but there are many Liberals that will be angered enough by them to work even harder in the next election to stop Conservatives because of these junior high antics.
Second, it is really easy to criticize. Words are cheap, action is what counts. The Conservatives can yell all they want about the paradise papers and Liberals, yet those same loopholes were in the tax code throughout Harper's tenure and Conservatives and corporations also use them. Apple alone has a over a quarter trillion in off shore accounts yet I do not hear a call by Conservatives to throw away you Iphones and I pads. Instead of telling us what is wrong with the Liberals, tell us what a Conservative government is going to do. Give a plan instead of complaints. And then keep your word when you get in. It is easy to be against a deficiet when in opposition but when Harper got in an run up the debt more than any previous government, it makes it really hard to trust the party again.
IMHO, there are two more things that have to happen. First, there has to be a return to civility. No one likes to be put down, bullied, and insulted, yet social media seems to thrive on it. Read any thread on this forum and count the putdowns, and name calling. Even the title of this post insinuates that easterners are stupid. You think easterners enjoy being called stupid? Look at the number of memes of Trudeau on this forum. Such postings might be considered funny to the far right base but all it does is insult Liberals. I doubt there is a single Liberal that will change their vote because of a meme but there are many Liberals that will be angered enough by them to work even harder in the next election to stop Conservatives because of these junior high antics.
Second, it is really easy to criticize. Words are cheap, action is what counts. The Conservatives can yell all they want about the paradise papers and Liberals, yet those same loopholes were in the tax code throughout Harper's tenure and Conservatives and corporations also use them. Apple alone has a over a quarter trillion in off shore accounts yet I do not hear a call by Conservatives to throw away you Iphones and I pads. Instead of telling us what is wrong with the Liberals, tell us what a Conservative government is going to do. Give a plan instead of complaints. And then keep your word when you get in. It is easy to be against a deficiet when in opposition but when Harper got in an run up the debt more than any previous government, it makes it really hard to trust the party again.
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